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This is frikkin amazing!

People just
> don't get up in the morning and decide to be
> terrorists.  

Well guess what...They DECIDED to come over and kill
thousands of innocent people.  They DECIDED to do
evil.  The DECIDE it on a regular basis.  What the
CRAP are you trying to say here?

If we insist on
> pretending that they are irrational, inhuman, and
> beyond the pale 

So now I'm supposed to believe that what these beasts
do on a regular basis is rational, humane, and
completely acceptable.  How naive!

Unless America really
> looks at our own
> culpability in acts of terror around the world, and
> makes changes to stop it,
> this will happen again.  

I am so damned sick of hearing people bend over
backwards to try to find our "culpability" in this. 
There is none.  We got up to go to
work/school/wherever last week, thinking it was a
typical blah day, and were instead victims of the most
horrendous act of violence imaginable.  How the crap
to you figure that we are responsible?!?

as long as
> American-made weapons kill innocent Palestinians,

Yeah, that's exactly what we intended to happen.

 as
> long as we train people
> like Bin Laden (yeah, if you haven't heard that yet,
> he's CIA-trained),

Why don't you do us the decency of giving us the rest
of the facts here.  He was trained as part of a group
who were fighting against the Soviets 20 years ago. 
It's not like we picked out a few people and trained
them to kill for no reason at all. We weren't training
terrorists.  We were training an army to defend
themselves. Suppose Sweden was invaded by North Korea
and we train them to defend themselve effectively. 
Then suppose one of the people we trained, Bjorn,
becomes a terrorist and twenty years later bombs
Disneyland, killing thousands of people.  Are you
saying we would be to blame for that too?

Sure, we do
> good things in the world,
> too, but to pretend that we've done *nothing* to
> make someone this angry at us;
> that these people were *just* crazy, evil, madmen...
> that's not going to make
> the problem go away.  

Yeah, we do things to hack people off.  Been doing it
for years.  Fer instance, we let the Nazis know they
couldn't continue their reign of terror, and they
hated us for it.  Making people angry isn't an
indication that we are doing wrong.

And I am not "pretending" these people are "crazy,
evil, madmen".  That's exactly what they are.  People
who are sane, good and rational don't do what they
have been doing for years.  Surely you know better
than that.

> > they said you will not kill me in my sleep, you
> will not ruin a beautiful
> > tuesday again. you will not father and yet make my
> own fatherless.  there
> > will not be a slow world holocaust, plain people
> picked off 5,000 at a time
> > because you are on a power trip: because i am not
> afraid of you.
> 
> Isn't this *exactly* what they were trying to say to
> *us* by what they did last
> Tuesday?

No.  Not even close.  They were saying 'We don't like
you.  We don't like that you oppose what we are doing.
 We don't like that you work for peace and
rationality.  We don't like that you haven't bent to
our will.  You are a threat to us and we want every
last one of you dead."

"Don't destroy our peaceful, daisy-ridden, we just
want to get along, terrorist existence"?  Please...

> Frankly, I'm not convinced God worked like that even
> in the Old Testament.  I
> think that was the motif that the writers found to
> try to make sense out of the
> events going on around them: "we must have done
> something bad; God is punishing
> us".  I disagree.  I don't even think it works as a
> motif in the Old Testament.
> Some kings went against what the authors thought
> they should be doing, and were
> phenomenally successful, in secular terms, although
> the books spit a lot of
> bile against their successes, and gleefully herald
> their downfall (everybody
> has a downfall, eventually). 

I would never have expected such speculations from
you, Don.  Especially leaps of logic this huge.

I'm sorry, Don.  I like you a lot.  But your post made
me mad.  Forgive me.

Kelvin

=====
Willy Wonka: "You know what happened to the man who suddenly got everything he ever wanted?"
Charly: "No. What?"
Willy Wonka: "He lived happily ever after."

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