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Re: The Debbil made me do it!

But Kelvin.....!!!

What I am objecting to is the automatic grouping of lgb people in the same 
category as adulterers, alcoholics, liars, thieves, recidivists, criminals, 
child molesters, sheep-shaggers, etc., etc., etc..

What I have said all along is that there is no evidence beyond prejudice on 
which to make this grouping.  Rather than show me better evidence than a few 
disputed proof texts, you continue wildly to made yet more associations with 
no basis.

Please can we take the argument forward from this, either here or offline, 
or if you will not listen to me, discontinue it?

Derek
<br><br><br>Degs
'Wherever Jesus went there was a revolution;
wherever I go people serve tea"
                           (Anthony de Mello)



>From: Kelvin Bailey <prestokelvo at yahoo_com>
>Reply-To: Kelvin Bailey <prestokelvo at yahoo_com>
>To: over-the-rhine at actwin_com
>Subject: The Debbil made me do it!
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Dang!  I swore I wasn't going to do this!
>
>Anyone who thinks that anyone who tries to "come out"
>of anything, but stumbles back into it is somehow
>discredited is at best delusional and most likely
>hypocritical.  Anyone ever try to change behavior they
>knew to be wrong?  It's not just an automatic thing
>where you decide to change and then never ever do the
>bad thing again.  It's a constant struggle with a lot
>of setbacks and defeats.  Sort of 3 steps forward and
>2 steps back if you will.  But it is forward
>progression.
>
>If someone has been entrenched in a lifestyle over a
>period of years, making the same decisions over and
>over again, their "journey" out of that lifestyle is
>going to be a bumpy road.  No one here would ever say
>"you tried to get sober and stay sober but you
>obviously you are not supposed to be sober because of
>that one time you got upset and took another drink."
>
>How arrogant and hypocritical to not allow others the
>same grace you would extend to a recovering alcoholic
>or others!
>
>sorry.  It needed to be said.
>
>Kelvin
>
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>Talk is cheap
>So make it mean something.
>          -- Rob Jungklas
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