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Re: Over-The-Rhine Digest V3 #543
i see a bit of a dust storm has been kicked up here.....ok....yes, if ccm
sucks, indeed, turn off the radio. i did that a long time ago. and i do
realize that someone obviously is being affected positively, or it wouldn't
be there anymore. but, my complaint is that in this tiny part of the world
i live in...there's no good options on the radio at all. as a result, my
collection of cds expands. i also agree that people's experience of
christianity cannot be what is heard on the radio or seen on tv...god, that
would be terrifying at best.
as for this statement:
...The church, and CCM, are earthly things and will always be a mess.We can
only move what we can touch.
of course, i certainly can't argue with that. but i'm at a point in my
life where it hurts to touch...and i haven't the strength to move anything.
i haven't reached this point suddenly, --finally facing abuse in my past,
and circumstances...nasty circumstances in my church, --- have made me
bitter and disillusioned...and i no longer attend there...except on the
rarest of occasions. i can't bring myself to attend anywhere...so i stay
home. i feel as if i'm in some freakish holding pattern...and in this mad
circling...who i tho't god is fades daily...i'm waiting for another image
to emerge...but it's all darkness. i don't blame the church for this, but
i can't say they had nothing to do with this state i'm in either. i
realize i alone am to blame, and i alone must walk this road...but right
now i need to rant and rave so that in all the silence i at least hear one
voice....all the silence was deafening me....
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Over-The-Rhine Digest Wednesday, May 2 2001 Volume 03 : Number
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 01:06:54 -0400
From: Alfred B Johnson <hoopyfrood at juno_com>
Subject: F***
Dan said:
>>>>[1]- quote bootleged from fred<<<<<<
Heh. :)
Get outta my boots. That tickles.
Kelvin said:
>>>>He wouldn't hang out there just for the
sake of hanging out there. And he certainly wouldn't
do it just to shake up the establishment or rock
fundamentalism. He wasn't about that. He just did
whatever he had to, without compromising his nature,
to reach folks. <<<<<
Very well said. I think. Very well.
Other notes on this: if we find ourselves spending a great deal of time
fumeing about how the mainstream church has it all wrong, we may have
been sidetracked from what we should really be doing. Which is finding
ways to do good things. And I don't say, "to make things right." The
church, and CCM, are earthly things and will always be a mess. We can
only move what we can touch.
Ahhh. I keep trying to say seomthing, but I'm too tired. Look. There
are very few occasions when yelling "Fuck" in church is anything more
than self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing rebellion; there are better ways
to find others who are discontent with the church, and there are many
better ways to communicate unrest to the establishment. But why are we
worried about these, like, national specters of Focus-on-the-Family-ism?
We are deluded by mediation. The national image of Christianity is not
our concern. We should be in our local church, and do good things there;
if God keeps pointing us at something bigger, but small enough to move,
we go there. But dealing with CCM is easy. If CCM sucks, we should turn
off the damned radio. Most of mainstream music sucks, too; but if even
the most vapid singer out there is affecting somebody in a good way,
then, whatever, leave it alone. CCM caters to a certain audience. Yes,
they're selling aesethetic mediocrity. Yes, that's a shame. But
people's experience of Christianity should not be the radio. It should
be the people they meet who say they are Christians.
Out of steam.
Chris said:
>>>Pretty cool! A little creepy sounding at times, but defiantly fun.
:-)<<<
Little known fact, Normy. That particular typo, "defiantly" for
"definitely," is the #1 typo on papers from freshman.
Brad said:
>>>>One of my favorite songwriters, Kevin Thornton, ex-Catharsis
& the Humdrum, said it well: "I trust God, but he hasn't
said too very much. I don't trust his children, they are
saying far too much."<<<<
Evil is a popstar.
Kevin is doddling about finishing his solo album. Doddling. Dawdling.
[Imagine Over the Rhine Content Here.]
That is all.
Fred
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 02:15:17 -0500
From: "jillian tully" <waytogojane at hotmail_com>
Subject: Re: F***
hmmm...are you pondering what i'm pondering, Pinky?
I think so, Brain, but how is a goat gonna fit in *there*???
don't mind me. just dealing with my forthcoming response. happens
sometimes.
being one who has lashed out at "the church" on this list, maybe i
shouldn't
be talking. however, i'm considerably less angry than i was then. right now
i'm looking at it from all sides.
sitting around telling the world that it is wrong is just...wrong. standing
on the fringes of mainstream culture and sloganizing it away isn't going to
make the big changes one would hope.
however, sitting around and talking about the reasons the church sucks is
just as bad. i've learned this from all my ranting and raving and bitching,
and then reading the responses i get from people who aren't the "focus on
the family" type. i still have tons of problems with the whole "bookstore
christian" thing, and maybe it's because i'm too eager to please, i can
never be a "radical". i don't think that's a huge flaw. sorry if any of you
do. anyway...i digress...i think, however simplistic this might sound, that
if you really can't stand your church that much, leave it. find another. if
you can't stand any church, maybe that's not the thing for you. maybe you
can find god somewhere else. maybe you just need some time away...whatever.
i sound like a self-help moron now, and considering i just watched two
less-than-intelligent movies in a row, please take everything i've said
with
a 3am grain of salt.
my rants are the keyboard equivalent of a carousal....a frat party night of
binge drinking of the mind/mouth.
something tells me i'll be regretting this in the morning.
jillian.
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