[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
Re: songwriters and geography trivia
Kendrickjd at aol_com wrote:
> aet at mail_dntcj.ro writes:
First off I am beginning to sense a bit of hostility. Perhaps it's time we moved
on. :-) but I would like to continue to hear people's thinkings. so if we can
continue to not break out into a war I would appreciate it. If at all I seem that
I am being argumentative that is not my intention. :-)
> [...] okay, first of all, i am just using dobson as an example because the quote
> i
> mentioned earlier had to do with him.
But if you are going to use someone as an example you should properly use them
then. if you are going to be general than be general, don't pull someone's name
into it, cause there are people on the list who are getting their opinion of this
one person affected because of a *opinion* that didn't accuratly represent that
person.
> secondly, what you said above is what i
> think one of the main problems is with the way christians deal with a lot of
> things. you said that dobson oppose murder and adultery and homosexUALS.
> which one of these is not like the other????
excuse me. :-) Okay, I should have said more. you mentioned abortion before.
divorce (now there is one to think about). I didn't mention these are the only
ones that are opposed. but I am not going to change the fact the Dobson does
oppose. (I make no comment on where I stand.These are simply points) and I did
say adultery (which in general church happens all the time and most people in the
world don't see it as *wrong*. so I would say, yes, murder is extreme, but
adultery seems to be along the same lines in the world's eyes as the other.) and
divorce, abortion, etc. so please, don't take my one extreme and say I am ranking
it in the same lines. you don't know that.
> if he opposes homosexualITY
> based on a narrow interpretation of scripture, then that is understandable,
> but what most christians do is oppose the individual who happens to be gay.
> that's not what jesus would do at all.
like I said, it's sad what the people do with what they here. At the same time,
Jesus judges harshly with those people who respond wrongly, and he also deals
harshly with those who are walking in sin (I am not saying anything about what is
right or wrong. You need to decide that for yourself. but I am making a point that
*yes* Jesus loves them and loves them deeply and he would by no means do what
*extremists* do. but at the same time, don't make him out to be a nice kind accept
all either. cause like the woman who had 5 husbands (who had divorced mind you)
and told her to 'go and sin no more'. he did love her and did forgive her but in
no ways tolerated what she was doing.)
> then christians should stop saying it is!!!! i am going to blow up this
> clinic in the name of god!!! [...]
but you are taking extremes here. It would be like saying the arab people are all
terrorists. they most certainly are not. but your view of them causes them to seem
that way becuase all you see are the times when they blew up an airplane. the
majority of christians do not do this. and I would tend to point out that the
people who *listen* to leaders aren't listening to people like Dr. Dobson, in
fact, I would tend to think they are listening to people more like Rush Limbaugh
for example who is not a christian. If they listen to Dr. Dobson's program for any
period of time they hear that is not a way to solve and isn't condoned and is come
against in the programs themselves.
i fully believe that there are some sincere men and women out
> there who are just trying to serve a god they honestly believe in, but there
> are some idiots out there doing exact opposite things in the name of the same
> god. and it is the radicals who attract the attention of the masses....etc.
> and the cycle goes on.
again you comment only on the extremists. I know of masses as well that do not
respond that way. that love and that run aids homes, that go to the funerals
because of the love they have for them. People who reach out and make a difference
in the *lives* of the people involved (in abortion, aids, homosexual, divorcees,
etc) who befriend and do not try to *conform* them to their viewpoint but trust
God to show to lead them in the right way.
If we are only talking about extremests I would need to bring to light there are
far more extremists who are murdering christian people and picketing christian
events and have even gotten things like 'march for jesus' cancelled becuase of
death threats and such. (prime example if we want to take extremes. Jonesboro high
school. (or was it the other one?) where students were having a prayer meeting and
a shooter (another student) comes in and opens fire... kids are influenced by the
people they are around. so we can go on and on about extremes if we care to.)
that wasn't the point. and far more people in general who kill innocent people
that aren't christians at all.
> i do not have the same
> opinion as holy text y, though, so if it is a requirement of that religion
> that i agree with everything in the holy text, then i guess i can't be a
> member of that religious group."
I supppose then it comes to what you believe about your religion. cause to me, if
I believe that 'holy text y' is the word of God then I am not going to say (again
I am speaking in extreme) "Oh, I think it's okay to murder someone, so just cause
the 'holy text y' says I shouldn't, I don't care, cause it goes against what 'I'
believe. To me that is saying "I don't believe that 'holy text y' is what I say it
is. which is being a hypocrite (how do you spell that word?)
> and i also disagree with you that it is "pretty obvious" what god thinks. i
> mean, there are lots of religions who claim to have *the* holy text of god.
again, I suppose it's pretty obvious then in 'your religion'... but even there, oh
man, I bet I shouldn't be saying this... [grimace] I am going to step out here and
say I believe (matter of opinion) that when you actually look at the majority of
religions and what they believe they are contradicting themselves. you are
basically left with very few that possibly could stand.
okay, perhaps I should have left this one only to you Jan, sorry it's long
everyone.
Amy
Follow-Ups:
References: