i was under the understanding that jack was still in the band - still recording with and playing the larger tours - only that he was moving to scottland and wouldn't be doing the smaller gigs, especially the one-offs... so, God-willing, we still have him in otr... else, well...else i'd be real sad. shannon/set on edge --------------- Unsubscribe by going to http://www.actwin.com/OtR/