kate, i am so with you on the "never see over the rhine live" thing. i have a small pile of tickets that i have bought WEEKS in advance to see them, all having been told they are 18+ and then finding out closer to the date that they are 21+... sigh. one day. we can't be under 21 forever. unless... kelly --------------- Unsubscribe by going to http://www.actwin.com/OtR/