>>So I disagree that that Barry's solution is optimal.
I wouldn't call it "My" solution.
The point I was trying to make was that when a mother and father *sincerely* put their hearts into loving God and their children.....it works. There will always be situations where there are "screwed" up families. Why? I don't know, maybe our nature. I guess I was brushing a broad stroke with my sister and her family as an example. Come visit them sometime and you will see that it REALLY does work. lol That being said I am not backing down from "my" ideal.
Out here,
Barry