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++++    I for one don't feel like we can go on as usual in spite of what
all the talking heads tell us to.
	How do we just act like everything fine?, we have an enemy
aproaching. For ecomomies sake we keep going, but I'm wide-eyed and bushy
tailed. In fact all the hairs are standing on my neck. I'm vigilent,
looking at the horizon. Wondering when we all start wheezing from
Anthrax. I guess I'm ready to go.
	Wondering how much of the information we get is true? 
	Anthrax in florida, not terrorist related? C'mon!
	That's what they say initially to keep us calm.
	I think this whole thing could get ugly quick.
	Possiblly an uncensored list would be a good place to pass along
information, that we may not get otherwise. Regardless if it's about OTR
or not.
	I'm sure it will go back to music when this is all over. But this
is on my mind now.
	Where do you go to talk politics, church?
	I actually want to talk politics with people I have something in
common with, music lovers gather around the campfire.
	Detwiler said himself it's hard to know what to do, music seems
less important, well yes I agree. My life revolved around music before
11th, now where's it's place?
	In times of disaster where does art go? And should we really try
to listen to LP's when we're being attacked, or should we sleeve them up,
put them in a safe place and bring them out again IF we get the chance.
	To me music matters so much, I've placed it as a need in my life.
But when folks are dying, I feel guilty. I still want to hear music. 
	It's more Beach Boys and Neil Young and stuff. Pop is dead for
now.
	I hate to admit it to myself that music was and is a luxury. I
guess that makes me a rich man with resources that benifit me. I feel
guilty about that. Yet it's my right.
	I feel guilty for loving my riches when some kids will never own
a CD player.
	Just trying to figure out what's important. 

Love y'all USA,

WS

>Lawlor, Barry wrote:
>
>> "Or should we have a moderator?" 
>> 
>> Have we come to the point where we as adults can't "moderate" our 
>own
>> feelings and be responsible in what we say?  I guess this group has. 
> It
>> saddens me that this list will be "dividing" because of this event.  
>OTR to
>> me represents unity and community (the first list I have been on, 
>and the
>> only list I have stayed on...because of the great discussions).  
>> 
>> 
>
>
>It doesn't have to be about that. See, there are two different issues. 
>
>One is the Chris-Emery-uncalled-for-comment issue; the other is the 
>general issue regarding the fact that, in general, the list doesn't 
>discuss OTR content, and that when anyone does try to include OTR 
>content, few people respond.
>Now that suggestes two things to me: 1. Some of us are people who like 
>
>to disucss anything and everything, and who enjoy engaging with others 
>
>in the realm of ideas. That's the sign of a *healthy* community. BUT, 
>it 
>isn't what this list is for. This list is for people to discuss OTR 
>and 
>related matter.
>2. That there are a large amount of "lurkers" who remain silent and 
>don't post, and that arguably a good percentage of them don't post 
>because, as will happen naturally in any group, and will happen to a 
>more pronunced degree in a text-based group like this one, those 
>members 
>of the group who are communicators by nature tend to overshadow those 
>who are not. Again, there's nothing *bad* about that, but it isn't 
>necessarily what the OTR list is for.
>It would be like we all went to a church and proceeded to talk 
>baseball 
>during the Lord's Prayer. A healthy community can still be unaware of 
>its context. Linford's letter suggested that people officially 
>involved 
>in the band have been uneasy about the way the list has been going for 
>
>quite some time.
>
>Linford's letter *also* hinted at the band instituting a moderator. I 
>don't think we need to make them do that, but we are not moderating 
>ourselves in any way right now, and I think that is because the two 
>functions of the group (talk about OTR/ talk about other stuff) are in 
>
>conflict. Splintering off to another board doesn't mean we lose 
>anything-- it means that the natural, healthy, orgnanic process of 
>community-bulding can go on in both places, each place toward its own 
>end. Those of us who like to post on non-OTR content can without 
>causing 
>further embarrasment and frustration to the band.
>
>I doubt if we just all agree to tone it down, that it'll stay that 
>way. 
>Some of us naturally are inclined to discussion and debate and if we 
>provide ourselves a forum, we can meet the needs of both groups. I 
>also 
>think that it'll keep the band from having to intervene, something 
>they'd probably rather not do, and it might save them the trouble of 
>picking and paying someone to monitor us. Sure, it'll be a change, but 
>I 
>think it'll be a change for  the better.
>
>-John
>
>
>
>-- 
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>In the electoral campaign, President Bush named as the most important 
>person in his life Jesus Christ. Now he has a unique chance to prove 
>that he meant it seriously: for him, as for all Americans today, "Love 
>
>thy neighbor!" means "Love the Muslims!" OR IT MEANS NOTHING AT ALL.
>
>  -  Slavoj Zizek, "Welcome To The Desert Of The Real II: Reflections 
>on 
>WTC"
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>http://www.johnpauldavis.org
>
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