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RE: war...

Thank God for a voice of reason in the postings today
-- I sincerely appreciate ALL of your input today
Michael.

--- Michael Cade <michael.cade.liv1 at statefarm_com>
wrote:
> 
> 
> >> Why you wouldn't think he was intelligent is hard
> to fathom.  
> >
> >Well, for me it's his poor school record combined
> with his 
> >total lack of
> >mastery of the English language unless it's been
> written out for him
> >beforehand.  Oh, he's a skillful politician, no
> doubt, but 
> >intelligent?  I
> >don't think so.  He's no Jefferson.
> >
> 
> Sorry, if you took my very poor school record and
> tried to correlate it with
> my IQ rating (the I in IQ meaning intelligence) you
> would find a great
> disparity.  I also grew up in a very poor urban area
> and consequently used
> much slang and incorrect grammar to which I was
> constantly exposed.  One of
> the most intelligent women I have ever known was my
> grandmother.  She used
> the word "fixing"  meaning getting ready to do
> something till the day she
> died.  So it would follow from your "lack of mastery
> of the English
> language" poor urban people (often black) who use
> street slang and poor
> grammar are stupid.  Man, who's the racist now?
> 
> >> The extinction of the Jews alone is a pretty
> clear similarity.
> >
> >The horrific irony in all this is that Arab hatred
> of Jews is 
> >a uniquely late
> >20th century phenomenon.  Muslims and Jews lived
> side by side 
> >in peace and
> >harmony for over a thousand years.  Muhammad called
> on his 
> >followers to treat
> >the "peoples of the book" (Christians and Jews)
> with respect, 
> >because they
> >worshipped the same god. 
> 
> I guess that means take a plane and ram it into a
> building. 
> 
> > Granted, they were second class 
> >citizens, but only
> >second class.  Pagans had absolutely no rights. 
> Muslims never 
> >perpetuated
> >pogroms, ghettos, or extermination camps against
> the Jews.  
> >Those were all
> >European phenomena.  So-called Christendom.  It was
> the 
> >creation of the state
> >of Israel, and more, the manner of its creation,
> that got the 
> >Muslim world
> >upset.  They see it as yet another Western crusader
> state, 
> >like those of the
> >middle ages, when the streets of Jerusalem ran
> ankle-deep in 
> >the blood of the
> >inhabitants slaughtered by the Europeans.  And now
> the 
> >European anti-semitism
> >is starting to make in-roads into Islam, which is
> tragic.  
> >I've even heard that
> >"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" has become
> widely read 
> >and quoted, and
> >that's a Russian forgery that claims to be a
> conspiracy 
> >document, showing that
> >the Jews are out to take over the world.
> >
> Interesting monologue but what does it have to do
> with the fact (much less
> refute it) that two people have a similar hatred of
> one ethnic/religious
> group.
> >
> >> Since you won't go for profiling, what (if any)
> solution can 
> >you give? 
> >
> >Investigation and evidence.  Innocent until proven
> guilty. 
> 
> Interesting concept, but if someone in your family
> was in the WTC that day,
> my guess is you would feel differently.  Innocent
> till proven guilty
> theories I don't believe took into account
> terrorism.  It's a nice phrase
> also but it isn't even in effect in America.  If you
> are accused of
> committing murder (again only accused) what do you
> think your chances are of
> getting out on bail?
> 
> >What so many people
> >don't seem to realize is that if you give that up,
> the wheels 
> >of beurocracy can
> >grind you up as well.  The people who support this
> are so sure 
> >that only "them"
> >are going to get profiled that they don't care. 
> After all, 
> >"we" are never
> >going to do anything worthy of profiling for. 
> Haven't you 
> >ever had a false
> >charge on a bill?  
> 
> What does a false charge on a bill have to do with
> anything?
> 
> Some one else mentioned that it is only WASP males
> that argue for profiling.
> I find that only the people who haven't been on the
> receiving end of crime
> (real crime on a regular basis, not someone stole my
> radar detector once)
> are the ones who tend to be anti profilers.    
> 
> >> Um look at the whole Palestinian conflict.  It
> certainly 
> >appears to be more
> >> than 1 vile terrorist that doesn't agree with the
> people you know. 
> >
> >Yeah, it's called the State of Israel.  
> >Okay, let's look at the *whole*
> >Palestinian conflict.  Say you're a Palestinian
> Arab.  You and 
> >your relatives
> >have lived in a country for over 1300 years.  Let's
> let that 
> >number roll around
> >in our brains for a bit: ONE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED
> YEARS.  
> >Then along come
> >these western states, who have been invading you
> periodically 
> >for about a
> >thousand years, and (a) carve up your country and
> give it to a 
> >bunch of foreign
> >refugees, whose plight you had nothing to do with,
> (b) force 
> >you out of your
> >homes and cities, and then (c) invade and occupy
> the half of 
> >the country you
> >had left and subjugate you to oppressive terror and
> violence.  
> >Wouldn't you be
> >pissed off?  There have been resolution after
> resolution in 
> >the UN against the
> >occupation, but nothing happens.  Why?  Because the
> US 
> >supports Israel and
> >tells the rest of the world to go f*&k itself, like
> we 
> >*always* do.  Like we
> >did when the world court convicted us of war crimes
> in 
> >Nicaragua in the 80s.
> >The Muslim world sees the US pummel Iraq and Kosovo
> under the 
> >umbrella of UN
> >resolutions, but completely ignore resolutions with
> regard to 
> >Palestine.  Is it
> >any wonder they think we are racist hypocrites?
> >
> Another interesting monologue, but it doesn't refute
> my stance that there
> are more than 1 vile terrorist out there.  Actually
> it supports it.
> 
> >I'm not even going to address WS's racist comments
> except to 
> >say that it was
> >like a slap in the face to see the word "raghead"
> on this list 
> 
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