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homosexuality and reality

hi derek,

> BArely a month goes by without some senior ex-gay
> leader being caught in a 
> gay bar, or cottaging somewhere...
> 
> All over the show, the ex-gay movement is being
> discredited, shamed by its 
> leaders, and in the case of a few honourable
> exceptions like Jermy Marks of 
> COurage, openly repenting of their former position. 
> When will you?

well, this sounds a little contradictory...is it
shameful or not? :)  as far as repentence and former
positions go, just b/c something was part of someone's
past perspective doesn't make it wrong or less true
now.  ya know, i haven't read emails calling gays and
lesbians to repentence on this list; but i'm reading
the opposite case here, in a sense.  that's
interesting at best.

> As for the church allowing gay marriages, there is
> evidence that in the 
> early church, same sex relationships where tolerated
> - even honoured by the 
> church.  

> Indeed, in the secular world, acceptances of
> lesbians, gays and bisexuals 
> has only come within the past 30 years...  and we
> all know how bad the 
> church is at lagging behind.

so which is it?  is/has the church (been) with it or
not???  i'm not really asking that b/c i know you're
looking at a supposed fluctuation, but these are
sweeping generalizations.  the tone is more revealing
than the content.

> Prejudice (homophobia) is one thing, but I think
> your arguments might be 
> more convincing if they were actually in touch with
> reality to any great 
> degree.

i'm glad you brought this up.  the opposite view has
just as good a "chance" of understanding reality as
your perspective.  this side of the question/debate
etc. is no less subjective than the other.

-j. marie

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