Re: Names and Announcements

[Eric Schumacher <eric.schumacher at ecoutlook_com>]

tina sez:

> the point that neither of you addresses
> however is that within the field of music
> specifically, certain names have undeniable
> associations with specific artists. i'm not talking
> about football teams and soul singers, or band's based
> in ohio and rivers flowing through europe, or people
> going about their business with the same first and
> last names.  i'm talking about musicians.

well, then let me address the point.

kind of. and kind of not. a quick search on UBL.com (ultimate band list...
lots of musicians) using the keyword 'monk' revealed:

Monk
3 Day Monks
Blac Monks    
Bruther Monk
Buddha Monk    
Clark Terry w/ Thelonious Monk
Derrick Monk
Desert Monks
Faux Monks    
fighting monks    
Fondue Monks    
Funky Monks    
Guyme Monks
Industrial Monk    
Karling Abbeygate & The Monks Of Love
Lomax Monk
MEREDITH MONK
Monk & Canatella
Monk Hazel    
Monk Rowe
Monk Wilson    
Monk With Gun
Monks
Mount Athos Monks
Parker Monk
Sex Monks
T.S. Monk    
The Blue Monks    
The Elite Monk Society
The Monks
The Monks of Doom  
The Monks of Notre Dame
The Sonic Monks    
The Spitfire Monks 
Thelonious Monk
Thelonious Monk, Jr.

> generically,
> if someone says, hey, have you heard this monk album,
> i'm sorry, very few people are going to think of rich
> hordinski, they'll think of Thelonius Monk, an
> important composer, a pioneer in the world of jazz who
> put up with a lot of white bullshit back in the day.

true. not many people will think of 'ric hordinski' when asked about monk.
ric is not overwhelmingly well known at this point. who knows... maybe he
never will be. but the same logic can be applied to james. or miles.

me: hey, have you heard this James album?
you: huh? james who?  james taylor? james brown?
me: no. the band james. how about miles?
you: miles davis? miles griffith?
me: no, the band miles.

monk. miles. james. these are just words.

> it just makes no sense to me that a white guitarist
> who on some level is a serious musician would take
> that name for his own thing.

er, well... apparently the 3 day monks, monk hazel and the faux monks (to
name a very few... see above list) don't really see it that way.

> the point about the name having connotations before
> Thelonius poured his soul out musically isn't relevant
> at all to this discussion. police had connotations
> before the police made records. beetles had
> connotations before the beatles made records. once
> they made their music, within the field of music,
> those names were forever spoken for.

again, kind of and kind of not. it really goes both ways. seems to me that
the phrase 'like a rolling stone' had connotations long before the mick and
the boys arrived. same goes for 'crash like a lead zepplin.' everything
borrows from everything else. there is nothing new under the sun.

> if you
> ever get famous, you'll have more people than me
> saying, hey, wait a minute, that's not very cool.

funny.. the first thing i said when i heard monk was 'oh man, that's VERY
cool!'

discussions ARE fun,
eric.

np: john (no, not alice, carri or ravi) coltrane | a love supreme

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