RE: dem primary

[Drew Johnson <djohnson@snowplow.org>]

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Montgomery, Daniel E. wrote:

> "Anybody But Bush!!"
>

> That's the kind of statement I wish we liberals simply would not make.
> I think it's the kind of thing that gives liberals a bad name.
>
> Republicans said the same thing about Clinton -- Anybody But Clinton.
>
> It makes us armchair-politicos sound petty and unconcerned about the
> issues and that the ONLY important thing is getting rid of the current
> politician in office. Is that really the platform we true liberals
> want to take?
>
> -Daniel
>

Well said, Daniel.  However, there is perhaps a caveat that I would apply
here.  I would say that there are _many_ Democrats that I would take over
Dubya.  And some days, I would almost say that any Democratic Presidential
Candidate is better than Bush.  Of the original nine candidates that
started out before Iowa, I would have to think awfully hard on pulling the
lever on Kucinich and Lieberman.  Probably Sharpton as well; he's much
more a grandstander to me than a politician, and we Minnesotans got plenty
of that sort of bluster from Ventura.

However, Kerry is fine in his own dour way, and I quite like the liberal
General of DOOM, Wesley Clark.  Dean acts like a rabble-rouser, but one
that actually has a few decent ideas; I'd go with him.
Mosley-Braun...what a damn pity she was pushed aside by the media
immediately.  What I've heard of her speeches made me proud to be an
American.  Gephardt was ok and I would have voted for him if need be, but
I don't think he would have won.  Which brings us to Edwards.

I've read his proposals from his website.  If you get a chance, print off
his Solutions paper from the PDF, curl up with over a lunch break, and
take a look.  He is, in a word, kickass.  And I'm hoping that I get the
privilege of voting for him in March when the Minnesota caucuses come
around.

I do want to see the rascal out.  But I'd like to see the rascal be
replaced with someone who won't neccessarily be a rascal in four years.

-Drew J

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Neely [mailto:bondibox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:30 AM
> To: over-the-rhine@actwin.com
> Subject: Re: dem primary
>
>
> First, let me say how warmed I am to see fellow dems (and likewise independents) on this list.  I like you folks more and more each day!
>
> >personally, i like all of them.  was even sorry to see
> >joe drop out.
>
> I also warmed up to Leiberman, aka Dr. Zoidberg, after Iowa where he was shown on the Newshour in a candid moment at a diner eating a sundae with his wife.  The quote "If elected president, I promise hot fudge sundaes for everyone. Mmmmm"  I *really* wish I had
> the VCR rolling there.
>
> Now, for the nitty gritty.  I have come to the conclusion that Clark has the best shot.  Originally, I was a Deaner (just peeled the sticker off of my bumper as a matter of fact), but his temper, and accusations about 9-11 complicitcy made me lose heart. (BTW,
> there is enormous evidence of preknowlege, and a failure to react to the disaster, but saying "I read it on the internet" is a TOTAL cop-out.  If you're gonna say something like that, have some balls).
>
> I really didn't trust Clark for a while.  I've since learned that he was actually an independant, who voted R.  If Michael Moore can endorse him I guess it's safe.  Plus the ABB factor tells me that if he can win, send him in.  Kerry, on the other hand, could
> face a bigger problem from veterans who hold a grudge about Kerry's anti-war statements in the early 70's. Also, being more liberal than Ted Kennedy isn't a plus.  Edwards, although likeable, will have the greenhorn label making it hard for middle of the road
> voters to take him seriously.  Kucinich is _the_man_ (If Willie Nelson likes him, that's the mark of excellence), but I think he's too far left to get the indie vote.
>
> IMO the strongest ticket would be Clark/Edwards.  Maybe Kerry/Sharpton would work.  No scratch that - waaaay too liberal.  The last thing I want to see is Dean going Independant as he's threatened to do.  Solidarity!  Anybody But Bush!!
>
> -jas
>
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