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Re: proofs and people


--- "Peter T. Chattaway" <petert at interchange_ubc.ca>
wrote:
> >
> > But they would only be bloodthirsty, stupid,
> neurotic and masochistic
> > from your perspective.
> 
> Not so.  The phenomenon is what it is, no matter who
> observes it or how.

Bloodthirsty, stupid, neurotic and masochistic (at
least in the sense they were originally offered in
this discussion) are not objective phenomenon - in the
sense that gravity, 7, or photosynthesis are
considered to be.

So,
> we could publicly agree upon a definition of
> "bloodthirsty", or "stupid",
> or "neurotic", or "masochistic", and then, once
> we've arrived at those
> definitions, we can see how the observed theology
> fits those terms.

Well, I guess there's my caveat.  We don't publicly
agree on things like stupid and bloodthirsty.  I think
Radiohead borders on stupid.  Others here certainly
don't.

Is it possible God has no
> perspective at all,
> precisely because he sees everything?  If God *does*
> have a perspective,
> then we might ask whether it, too, is not subject to
> limits, etc.

I wouldn't say that God's perspective is subject to
limits.  He is, after all, God.

> I guess the way it applies here is simply this:  Do
> our perspectives make
> a difference to God?  Do they matter at all?  Do
> they sway him at all?  
> Does he ever take them into account? 

But I would tend to agree here.  I believe God
concerns Himself with our perspectives but isn't ruled
by them in any way.

> If God *is* in some sort of relationship with us,
> then obviously, his is
> not the only perspective that matters, even if we
> consider it the most
> trustworthy (by virtue of the fact that he sees so
> much more than us).

sounds good

Kelvin

=====
What if the hokey-pokey really IS what it's all about?!?

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