and I hang my head in such a place as this when I say I'm a closet creed fan.
~kT
>From: "jay and jenna eads"
>Reply-To: "jay and jenna eads"
>To: "kevin c. taylor" , ,
>Subject: Re: a fly on my pastor's ass
>Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:01:29 -0800
>
>no. the point is...especially, to me, if it is a reflection of your own
>self...why attack. i get the lashing out at what we hate in ourselves, all
>i was saying is this:
>
>leave her be...christian, pre-christian, seeking, not interested it doesn't
>matter (in this respect, it certainly DOES matter). her struggles are hers,
>as are all of ours, and don't need to become the world's porta-potty.
>manners as someone mentioned. as a seeker yourself you could show a little
>more compassion for issues you say are a place you'd like to leave behind.
>
>the bottom line is......
>
>creed sucks and i think we can all agree on that ;)
>
> jay
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kevin c. taylor"
>To: ; ;
>
>Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:10 AM
>Subject: Re: a fly on my pastor's ass
>
>
> > and if you don't read the bible then my definition is worthless?
> >
> > Powdered up, meaning not saying what I was feeling at the moment (i.e.
>being
> > honest with myself).
> > Look, what Jillian said hit home with me in a place I'm trying to leave
> > behind. I'm fascinated with faith. which has been one of the main
>reasons
> > I lurk around here. I've been captain whino myself. A no hope reckless
> > wayward. And at this point in my life, I'm sick of it. I've been
>searching
> > for something higher. And Jillian held a mirror in my face. I over
>reacted.
> > Find it in your heart to forgive me and give me some glimmer of hope
>that
> > Christ has some real followers.
> >
> > ~kT
> >
> >
> > >From: "jay and jenna eads"
> > >Reply-To: "jay and jenna eads"
> > >To: "kevin c. taylor" ,
> > >,
> > >Subject: Re: a fly on my pastor's ass
> > >Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:05:03 -0800
> > >
> > >actually...if you read the bible (calling christianity, catholicism and a
> > >handful of others "major religions", it states that faith inand of itself
> > >is nothing. have all the faith you wish in government, people, good
>will,
> > >string cheese, el caminos and you get nothing of importance. the object
>of
> > >faith is the "power" you speak of. just for clarification of what all
>the
> > >major religions offer.
> > >
> > >powdered it up...what the hell is that?
> > > jay
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: kevin c. taylor
> > > To: eadsj at qwest_net ; waytogojane at hotmail_com ;
> > >Over-the-Rhine at actwin_com
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 11:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: a fly on my pastor's ass
> > >
> > >
> > > Who said I was a christian? You guys jump to a-lot of conclusions.
>But
> > >I know the power of faith. All the major religions teach that. Faith
>is
> > >the key to see past your self and be free. If I would have powdered it
> > >up for you guys like that in the first place maybe your panties would be
> > >unwaded.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "jay and jenna eads"
> > > >Reply-To: "jay and jenna eads"
> > > >To: "kevin c. taylor" , ,
> > > >Subject: Re: a fly on my pastor's ass
> > > >Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:22:30 -0800
> > > >
> > > >what an un-Christlike attitude. must be hard to see people when you
> > >can't see past you own glorious reflection in the pool, Narcissus.
> > > >
> > > > jay
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: kevin c. taylor
> > > > To: waytogojane at hotmail_com ; Over-the-Rhine at actwin_com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 2:36 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: a fly on my pastor's ass
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > why is anti-faith always so hip? people must love watered down
> > >whininess of prodigals. I'm not impressed.
> > > >
> > > > I guess it's hard to see God when you can't see past your nose.
>Which
> > >would explain the pessimism.
> > > >
> > > > ~kT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "jillian tully"
> > > > >Reply-To: "jillian tully"
> > > > >To: Over-the-Rhine at actwin_com
> > > > >Subject: a fly on my pastor's ass
> > > > >Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:42:32 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > >question: am i the *only* knob on this list, or are there others
> > > > >hiding?
> > > > >*laughs*
> > > > >
> > > > >anyway, i've been reading this discussion, and it truly amazes me
> > > > >how
> > > > >intelligent all you folk are...how do you get that way? i want to
>be
> > > > >like
> > > > >all of you.
> > > > >
> > > > >i've left the christian ghetto and made something of myself in the
> > > > >world...it feels lovely. yet i can't help looking back and worrying
> > > > >about my
> > > > >friends still trapped in there. personally, i still believe in god,
> > > > >in the
> > > > >loosest interpretation of what the word is...but i'm still unsure
>as
> > > > >to
> > > > >*what*, forget *who*...god is. my reasons for believing in a
>supreme
> > > > >being
> > > > >most likely stem from my insistence that "there has to be something
> > > > >else out
> > > > >there".
> > > > >
> > > > >however, i find it ridiculous to label inanimate objects with a
>word
> > > > >reserved for followers and believers in the divinity of a man who
> > > > >walked the
> > > > >earth giving lectures 2,000 years ago. i find it ridiculous that
> > > > >people seek
> > > > >out things that are painted up and marketed to them, with promises
> > > > >of a
> > > > >"better spiritual life", or "less blocks to stumble over".
> > > > >
> > > > >if christianity began with christ, then why do people insist on
> > > > >calling
> > > > >these modern fire-and-brimstone authors the gospel, in their own
> > > > >ranting,
> > > > >raving "this-book-changed-my-life" kind of way? i've *read* some of
> > > > >those
> > > > >books, and while i enjoyed a couple, and c.s. lewis is still one of
> > > > >my
> > > > >favourite authors, none of them gave me the desire to "sell out for
> > > > >jesus",
> > > > >or any catchphrase you want to insert here. none of them made me
> > > > >want to
> > > > >throw out my tori amos cd's and tear down my rocky horror picture
> > > > >show
> > > > >poster. no music made me swap all my tight shirts for t-shirts that
> > > > >say "got
> > > > >jesus?".
> > > > >
> > > > >no cliquey youth group or college ministry has ever had the answers
> > > > >to my
> > > > >questions, and they consistently LOOK OVER THE THINGS YOU ALL ARE
> > > > >TALKING
> > > > >ABOUT! constantly batting away discrepancies in writings and truths
> > > > >and
> > > > >things people cannot bring themselves to believe like a cow
>swishing
> > > > >flies
> > > > >off its ass. is that how my pastors and bible study leaders see me?
> > > > >as a fly
> > > > >on their ass? what kind of christian love and understanding and
> > > > >openmindedness is THAT?
> > > > >
> > > > >anyway...sorry to take up space with my severely uneducated words.
> > > > >we now
> > > > >return to our scheduled program, already in progress...
> > > > >
> > > > >jillian.
> > > > >there's only cliches to get across this feeling. - frente
> > > > >
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