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Re: money and life
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 Ysobelle at aol_com wrote:
> Well, golly!(blush) And here I was thinking the same of you.
(: so it's agreed.
> I love high heels, though-- is that okay?
'course! you're not me, i don't expect anyone else to follow my
shoe-hating lifestyle (:
intheory, i will confide, i think high heels look cool. but i have big
feet, and i don't like shooes - so they are hard on me.
i do own a pair... i know, don't die of shock. no snarfing! it was to wear
with this dress i got to a wedding of dave's cousin.
> And we all know I havea thing for boots. But usually I wear sandals
> from April through September, and I do often kick 'em off under the
> desk. So maybe that gives me a sort of null balance?
indubitably (:
> I think that's valid-- a barter system society has a vastly different
> feel from a money-based economy. Not that I have a ton of experience
> with the former, but I do know that it's a very different transaction
> when I do something for money as opposed to goods or services. I'm
hm. i can se your point, but somewhere down the line someone has power.
whether it's the travelling shaman who gets a couple to pay outrageous
amounts of money plus, give fabric, plus sacrifice the best of the herd
just to have a spirit reading to find out why they are not having a
child... obviously the power is skewed in his [shaman] favor.
i do like th barter system, though.
> hiring someone to help me with the site. Having said that, I have to
> admit I've had more-than-passing thoughts that I wish I'd just gotten
> paid and walked away-- y'all remember my "Rhapsodie" story? Yeah. Him.
i'd do it (:
> Working things out in barter is necessarily a more organic, complex,
> and emotionally involved transaction than simply paying the price on
> the sticker. Perhaps it's no more than my Ugly American,
> Isn't-That-Quaint cultural ignorance talking; millions of people all
> over the world live their lives with that system: merely because I
> don't doesn't mean I can presume to know how it feels as a societal
maybe it is, but you're right - you can still speculate.
i think there are truly fewer and fewer genuine barter system setups.
and it seems to me in my experiences, that the poor of a country (mainly
thinking third world here, k?) or the extremely rural are the ones who do
more bartering than the rich in the same countries. except for those handy
kickbacks and stuff from politicians to their friends... and stuff
pardon my cynicism.
ethiopia has a surplus (:
the market has failed. honest, i mean, they use natural fertilizers, which
had been unsupported, banned and otherwise frowned upon in favor of
chemical onse. then there was this famine. a really REALLY bad one. cos
the land was burned and they overgrew, overgrazed and in general could not
survive... the desire for only chemical fertilisers had to do with market
and kickbacks to politicians, corporations and etc.
anyway, things are a little more simple now that they cut out one loop of
that economy. i'm just glad to see a: mothers can feed their children b:
there's time to make hooch c: no one's burning the ground chemically as
much.
> way of life. But it does seem that actual currency disconnects us from
> > the things we're buying and selling,
very very true. but sometimes i ilike the abstraction which allows me to
receive re-imbursement for something they nededed, since there's nothing
they have to offer that would satisfy the trade. it'd be fun to start out
trying to trade first before moving on to money.
> and wow, what do you know? She thinks the ! same of mine! I don't get
i'm not surprised.
>
> Well, sometimes the challenge is to do so without the money that makes
> it easier. And we all do it: do what we can with what we have. And I
> think, within reason, we all respect and get a kick out of those who
> manage to buck the system more spectacularly than we do-- like, for
> instance, a certain band who manages to do glorious work and put out
> fabulous CDs without the huge rock-star budgets that seem to be de
> rigeur amongst their more pyrotechnic boy/girl band counterparts. Not,
> obviously, that you can't be a good songwriter/performer without
> money, but I think America at least is trained that you can't be
> considered successful unless you need seven trailers to haul your
> lighting rigs from Chicago to Miami.
well, there is that ..... so i guess i haven't made it yet, since my code
can travel in one hdd? (:
> You think? I can prolly put you in touch with a couple people in that
> particular underworld.
it sounds like more fun than working with staid waspish people (: hard to
start a conversation being the youngest and all. and witha nose ring.
though i think no one notices that, since a: they are guys b: they are
geeks c: most importantly, ilost my earring hoop wwhich was a cool little
detailed siler thing from france. ):
> Sometimes, I think I'd live (which I meant to say as "love" but it's a
> typo I'll leave in)to work somewhere I could have burgundy hair and
> wear the chain in my nose. I wore the chain into my store once when I
> wasn't working-- I thought I'd have to call maintenance to clear out
> the bodies.
(: no kidding! howmany?
> No, just bitterly experienced. And it's not like I'm the first to say
> such things-- as Liesel will attest. Not even the first today. Prolly
> not even the first within a hundred-yard radius.
yea, i know. sometimes i think it's funny how much wisdom comes from
experience.
> Man, I HAVE to stop hanging out on the Goth list....
y's that?
> Again, I was just thinking the same about you. (Grin!)
>
> Warm fuzzies for the house, and buy the bartender a double....
galactic shakers for everyone (:
rhys
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DANG!!
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