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love and suicide... boy aren't we feeling "romantic"

Hi guys :)

I've been gone for a while, but I'm back.  Little Marie in da house.  I 
joined up in time for underwear and crayons.  Although I tried to post a few 
evenings ago, I fear it didn't work.  Here's another attempt:

I might fly up to Cincinatti for the Sept. 11th show.  Any good tips for 
this Florida girl?

I agree with Jay in thinking Ysobelle has expressed one of the many truths 
about love with incredible precision and eloquence-- props to you :)  I also 
thank you and Debbie for even pondering such things into postings.  Meaty 
dialog that adds to life is always welcomed here!  Using one of my favorite 
quotes from Princess Bride added yet a few more cool points to Miss 
Ysobelle's tally as well.

And then we move on to suicide...

In such a case, I think I have to take Jeff's words to heart and claim them 
as my opinion as well.  Not only is suicide this ultimate act of pride, but 
it calls into question any trust that one might have in their Creator.  If 
you know Him, if you love Him-- you trust Him.  I'm not even going to 
presume to analyze another's relationship with God, but if He is who we 
claim He is biblically, such dispair and pride etc. are not the fruit of a 
relationship with Him.  I also understand the observation that the parents 
found no comfort in their religion.  Here we might boil it down to religion 
vs. relationship.  I can't imagine finding substantial comfort that is real 
and stands the test of time in "religion."  We can be "religious" about 
exercise :)  It's not what's eternal and loving and kind.  It's not about 
"doing" in my opinion (as religion would say), it's about "being" (as a 
relationship says).  Although I can't speak from extremely personal 
experience with regard to suicide, I can speak on losing a family member.  
My sister died last year.  It's been hell, I gotta admit.  I miss her so 
much, and my only comfort is Jesus.  I find no comfort in any legalistic 
doctrine or 12 steps.  My relationship with God and security in the Truth He 
offers is the only thing I can cling to.  Bitterness, depression, anger etc. 
haven't taken root in my heart b/c and only b/c of Him.  We have a 
relationship.

I too have known people in pain, and some of them have taken their lives.  
Many people have given up the good fight, have decided that they don't have 
the strength to go on.  I say "good" that they know *they* don't have the 
strength--that's humility-- but from my experience, He is made strong in our 
weakness and can get us through.  It's not about me and my shortcomings.  In 
the end, it's about Him and all His strengths. If we can solidly say that 
suicide produces only pain and suffering, we can't really justify it.  From 
Jeff's comments and mine, we also take into account another perspective that 
applies even more ramifications that severly alter the consquences, making 
them even worse.  I'm not intolerant of ambiguity or even being unsure 
period, but if we know suicide is "bad, wrong," for "whatever reason," it's 
okay to make that call.  I have no problem saying I can't respect a decision 
to end one's own life.  I agree with Ysobelle in supporting those hotlines 
etc.  That's one help.  If you were to ask me personally, I'd support 
getting to the root of such wounds; and that root is spiritual and deep.

I'm sure I've offended-- I'm not trying to persuade people here, but the 
issue was brought up.  All I can bring to the table is what I have 
experienced.  Viola, aqui esta.

I'm really glad to be back, hearing all the fun stuff you talk about and 
even occasionally discussing what brings us all together, OtR.  Have a 
pleasant evening!

Ciao-
Marie


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