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Over-The-Rhine Digest Thursday, November 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 342
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@ re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
Re: @ re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
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Re: @ re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
Re: Alanis bashing.
Re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
Re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
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Re: Alanis
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Alanis: This too shall pass
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 06:12:00 PST
From: "Bruce Lachey" <b_lachey at hotmail_com>
Subject: @ re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
How about letting the corpse of pop music rot and decay?
How about realising Bjo:rk's an Icelandic god?
How about moving somewhere where it's warmer?
How about writing lyrics to someone else's song?
Thank you Christopher, thank you Ysobelle,
thank you Marky Marq, thank you Mr. Ulrich,
thank you binkmeister, thank you Bokonon,
thank you, thank you, Ms. Cat...
Bruce
who vividly recalls that one section of the SAT was this ridiculous:
Teletubby Laa-Laa is to Bjo:rk's "Post" CD as:
* Madonna's "Sex" book is to the number 17.
* Cyan ink cartridges are to hamburger.
* "Combat" for the Atari VCS is to a hideaway bed.
* Cuticle is to vertical.
(I don't think I got quality sleep last night...)
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:22:57 EST
From: Ysobelle at aol_com
Subject: Re: @ re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
In a message dated 11/4/98 9:12:47 AM, b_lachey at hotmail_com wrote:
>
>Thank you Christopher, thank you Ysobelle,
>thank you Marky Marq, thank you Mr. Ulrich,
>thank you binkmeister, thank you Bokonon,
>thank you, thank you, Ms. Cat...
>
I'm famous! I'm famous!
Only 14.3 minutes until the world starts busting on me.....
>
>(I don't think I got quality sleep last night...)
I'm thinking not.
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 06:39:03 PST
From: "Bruce Lachey" <b_lachey at hotmail_com>
Subject: Re: @ re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
Ysobelle at aol_com wrote:
>I'm famous! I'm famous!
>
>Only 14.3 minutes until the world starts busting on me.....
I can't imagine it's gonna take that long. The topless photos were in
the British press this morning, the queen's denounced you, the scandals
with bink and jg and chris and the sheep are soon to hit the waves, and
betty ford is just around the corner.
You're a has been, Y. :)
Bruce
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:08:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeffrey Tayama <t_yama at yahoo_com>
Subject: [none]
Hello all. I'm am curious as to who is going to the Columbus show
this Saturday? Please e-mail me privately, and maybe we can make
plans. I have a few people going with me, so it would be fun to meet
others.
Thanks. Also, anyone going to the Garbage show on Nov. 14th? Anyone
have extra tix?
Thanks,
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:12:03 EST
From: SheepyFuzz at aol_com
Subject: Re: @ re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
In a message dated 11/4/98 9:40:03 AM EST, b_lachey at hotmail_com writes:
> Ysobelle at aol_com wrote:
>
> >I'm famous! I'm famous!
> >
> >Only 14.3 minutes until the world starts busting on me.....
>
> I can't imagine it's gonna take that long. The topless photos were in
> the British press this morning, the queen's denounced you, the scandals
> with bink and jg and chris and the sheep are soon to hit the waves,
dude, leave me OUT of this.
love,
the sheep : )
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:55:50 PST
From: "Jillian Tully" <waytogojane at hotmail_com>
Subject: Re: Alanis bashing.
Kind,intelligent Bruce Lachey wrote:
I don't get it. I understand it's very "Western Culture" to rip someone
to shreds when their personal fame clock hits 0:15, but I kinda like a
lot of her stuff.
You hit the nail right on the head. Once someone becomes popular,
everyone is so quick to abandon them! I've heard it right here in the
REM argument. I've seen it happen to some Radiohead fans. Most Nirvana
fans did that,as well as Green Day fans. Once these bands became media
successes,the fans couldn't handle not having a "secret club" anymore.
is a pretty clever and well performed bit that essentially describes her
last two years out of the light. The single's well produced [maybe
that's what turns some of you off (?!)] and is "real". Though I realise
that people can have diverging musical interests from mine, it
simultaneously baffles me as well.
What oh what oh WHAT IS IT about produced music that turns all you
intellgent people off???? PLEASE tell me!!! I can understand a distaste
for overly slick sterile R&B production,but it seems like anything that
isn't stripped down,raw or extremely thoughtful is not good enough. This
is why I'm scared of my own career. I know that if I released an album
in the style of my current producer,all of y'all would probably laugh at
me!!! I thought about Alanis after I made that post,and although I still
shake my head at "Ironic",I'm a fan dag nabbit!!! She's cool.
OK I needed to use my credit card there,that was way more than 2 cents.
None of that was directed at anyone specific,either,and I'm still in a
great mood. :)
~jillian~
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wishing in one hand bird in another see which one will take me
farthest from here..." - Over The Rhine
"It's dumb, I know what I want to say,but I can't even take one
breath..." - The Sundays
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:11:08 -0500
From: binkmeisterrick at juno_com (bink meister)
Subject: Re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
univited, "Bruce Lachey" <b_lachey at hotmail_com> writes:
>Thank you Christopher, thank you Ysobelle,
>thank you Marky Marq, thank you Mr. Ulrich,
>thank you binkmeister, thank you Bokonon,
>thank you, thank you, Ms. Cat...
gee, i don't know whether to thank you or hit you... ;{P}
>Teletubby Laa-Laa is to Bjo:rk's "Post" CD as:
>* Madonna's "Sex" book is to the number 17.
>* Cyan ink cartridges are to hamburger.
>* "Combat" for the Atari VCS is to a hideaway bed.
>* Cuticle is to vertical.
i would have to go with Helman's mayonaise is to an episode of "Speed
Racer."
bink
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:15:08 -0500
From: binkmeisterrick at juno_com (bink meister)
Subject: Re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 06:39:03 PST "Bruce Lachey" <b_lachey at hotmail_com>
writes:
>Ysobelle at aol_com wrote:
>>I'm famous! I'm famous!
(i'd rather be INfamous!)
>>Only 14.3 minutes until the world starts busting on me.....
>I can't imagine it's gonna take that long. The topless photos were in
>the British press this morning, the queen's denounced you, the
>scandals
>with bink and jg and chris and the sheep are soon to hit the waves,
>and betty ford is just around the corner.
i *knew* we should've invited the queen! damn. i guess this means we have
to return the sheep now....
>You're a has been, Y. :)
aw, come on, the world needs wannabes...
bink
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:20:17 EST
From: Ysobelle at aol_com
Subject: Re: Re: @ re: Alanis, Madonna, Bjo:rk
In a message dated 11/4/98 10:39:09 AM, b_lachey at hotmail_com wrote:
<<
You're a has been, Y. :)
>>
Not by YOU, baby!
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:52:30 PST
From: "Jillian Tully" <waytogojane at hotmail_com>
Subject: Re: Alanis
OK OK OK I guess since I started all this junk, I'll state right here
that I think "You Learn" is cheesy, "Ironic" is ignorant, and "You
Oughta Know" is a lil *too* angry-contrived. However, "Wake Up",
"Forgiven", and "Thank U" are amazing songs that I love very very
much,both musically and lyrically.
I have one Dar CD..._Mortal City_ and although I enjoy her voice and
songs,I can't listen to the entire CD...I have to skip around. Ani is
pretty cool too. Her really angry songs don't do much for me ("Outta Me
Onto You"...) but when she's on,man she's ON...."Untouchable Face",
"Buildings and Bridges"..."Joyful Girl"...what great songs!!!) I don't
get Patti Smith. My cousin used to play bass for her,and I just don't
get it. I don't really get Joni Mitchell sometimes either. But "A Case
Of You" is pretty awesome. :)
**THIS RANT BROUGHT TO YOU BY THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS OF EGO-BASHING**
(not you guys,just the jerks at my stupid job)
blessingsuponya,
jillian <><
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wishing in one hand bird in another see which one will take me
farthest from here..." - Over The Rhine
"It's dumb, I know what I want to say,but I can't even take one
breath..." - The Sundays
\\|//http://listen.to/me_thank_you\\|//
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:04:07 -0500
From: "Amy Hendren" <ahendren at aidserve_org>
Subject: Re: Alanis
I almost never respond to anything on this list. I am way guilty in that I
press down on my control key, highlight OTR messages and press delete. You
all can be verbose at times. Two, I've never been a big Alanis follower, so
it's odd that this is the subject that's coaxing me to speak out. Anyhow, I
full on agree with those who appreciate _Thank_You_. It's a wonderfully
adult expression of humility and grace I think. It's also fine to tap feet
to.
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From: Jillian Tully <waytogojane at hotmail_com>
To: over-the-rhine at actwin_com <over-the-rhine at actwin_com>
Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: Alanis
>OK OK OK I guess since I started all this junk, I'll state right here
>that I think "You Learn" is cheesy, "Ironic" is ignorant, and "You
>Oughta Know" is a lil *too* angry-contrived. However, "Wake Up",
>"Forgiven", and "Thank U" are amazing songs that I love very very
>much,both musically and lyrically.
>
>I have one Dar CD..._Mortal City_ and although I enjoy her voice and
>songs,I can't listen to the entire CD...I have to skip around. Ani is
>pretty cool too. Her really angry songs don't do much for me ("Outta Me
>Onto You"...) but when she's on,man she's ON...."Untouchable Face",
>"Buildings and Bridges"..."Joyful Girl"...what great songs!!!) I don't
>get Patti Smith. My cousin used to play bass for her,and I just don't
>get it. I don't really get Joni Mitchell sometimes either. But "A Case
>Of You" is pretty awesome. :)
>
>**THIS RANT BROUGHT TO YOU BY THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS OF EGO-BASHING**
>(not you guys,just the jerks at my stupid job)
>
>blessingsuponya,
> jillian <><
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"And if my fortune weren't only lint and small change
>wishing in one hand bird in another see which one will take me
>farthest from here..." - Over The Rhine
>
>"It's dumb, I know what I want to say,but I can't even take one
>breath..." - The Sundays
>
>\\|//http://listen.to/me_thank_you\\|//
> /|\ /|\
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:57:32 EST
From: LOKNKEE at aol_com
Subject: Re: Alanis
I like her. She's good to listen to when you're pissed off beyond belief,
but
then she's got a few more mellow songs too. Kind of a song for all mood
swings kinda thing. ;-)
Jammin in the kiddie pool,
DeniseR
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:49:13 -0500
From: "Matt Dawson" <mdawson at gate_net>
Subject: Alanis: This too shall pass
>Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:41:05 PST
>From: "Bruce Lachey" <b_lachey at hotmail_com>
>Subject: Alanis bashing.
>
>I don't get it. I understand it's very "Western Culture" to rip someone
>to shreds when their personal fame clock hits 0:15, but I kinda like a
>lot of her stuff.
>
>"Thank you India, providence, disillusionment,
> nothingness, clarity, thank you silence" --
>
>is a pretty clever and well performed bit that essentially describes her
>last two years out of the light. The single's well produced [maybe
>that's what turns some of you off (?!)] and is "real". Though I realise
>that people can have diverging musical interests from mine, it
>simultaneously baffles me as well. Quite the paradox.
>
Hmmm..."Thank you India" describes her last two years...I'll have to think
about that one. Did she sell alot of records there? Actually, I'd prefer
if she were a little more thankful for nothingness and silence.
As for "real"...Alanis was a teeny bopping Debbie Gibson clone in Canada.
She was teamed up with producer Glenn Ballard (known for his work with
artists of great integrity, like Wilson Phillps) for her first proper U.S.
album. They must have decided that angry grrl music was "in" at the time.
Talk about contrived.
This too shall pass.
matt
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