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Hi, I got on this e-mail gig, and I don't know how. I am getting 36
messages a day and I don't know what the heck there about!! So if you could
please take me off the list or whatever, I would appreciate it!!! Thank you
so much and sorry about the mix up:)
Leah
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> From: Over-The-Rhine Digest <Owner-Over-The-Rhine at actwin_com>
> To: Over-The-Rhine-Digest at actwin_com
> Subject: Over-The-Rhine Digest V2 #184
> Date: Friday, June 05, 1998 3:01 PM
>
>
> Over-The-Rhine Digest Friday, June 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number
184
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: phooey!
> Re: Lilith baby
> Wade Jaynes
> attention Mike Georgin
> Re: Wade Jaynes
> Re: Little Ian
> Re: attention Mike Georgin
> Re: phooey!
> Mike's Leaving, Paula Cole, and Other Stuff?
> hint hint...
> Schuba's
> what?!
> Re: what?!
> Re: hint hint...
> Re: Wade Jaynes
> re: Lilith Baby
> Re: Wade Jaynes
> Re: Wade Jaynes
> Re: Wade Jaynes
> Wade Janes History ( ...I dreamt you cut off all your hair.)
> Re: Wade Janes History ( ...I dreamt you cut off all your hair.)
> "oh, you know, this and that."
> kiss my bass
> Re: kiss my bass
>
> See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the
> Over-The-Rhine mailing list and on how to retrieve back issues.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:50:38 EDT
> From: Kendrickjd at aol_com
> Subject: Re: phooey!
>
> In a message dated 98-06-05 00:18:06 EDT, you write:
>
> > I missed the coveted Karin and Liford shows
>
> i caught a karin and linford only show in atlanta. that's not too far
from
> you, mark.
> lucky me,
> jan
>
> np: tori amos, crucify
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:55:05 EDT
> From: Kendrickjd at aol_com
> Subject: Re: Lilith baby
>
> In a message dated 98-06-05 00:40:10 EDT, you write:
>
> > Awwwww yeah. I can live without Paula Cole
>
> i know this is a little un-related to OTR, but... i bought paula cole's
first
> album, and i like several of the songs, but i heard that her first album
was
> much better, so i bought it. it truly is. i remember hearing a song
called
> "bethlehem" several years ago, but i had no idea who sang it. it was
paula
> cole. if you sort of like her stuff, but are a little tired of "where
have
> all the cowboys gone" get her first album. songs like "bethlehem" and
"watch
> the woman's hands" make it really a good album.
>
> jan
>
> np: paula cole, harbinger
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "elmo'" <elmore_j at yahoo_com>
> Subject: Wade Jaynes
>
> Li'l Brucey wrote:
> > > It's official I guess. The big bad Mike man is out. It seems he
> wanted to pursue more jazz oriented stuff, and the decision seems
> mutual and they are great friends.
>
> >
> Then Jason Andrew Newby wrote:
> >This is GREAT news! Wade Jaynes is the most tastefully melodic bass
> ever...blah blah blah
>
> Jason...are you smoking CRACK? Evidently you never heard/saw Mike
> play...that boy ruled! This is not a knock agaisnt Wade...just an
> affirmation of Mike's skills...
>
> i'm sure gonna miss that bald-headed, bass-slappin, mr. clean-lookin',
> hip-hoppin', fukengruven, sumbitch.
>
> pardon me while I retreat into the darkness to pound my fists in
> impotent fury and curse cruel fate.
>
> Let the melodrama begin...
>
> tearfully,
> Elmo'
>
> np: Bob Mould: Workbook
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 08:36:31 PDT
> From: "jg900" <jg900 at bright_net>
> Subject: attention Mike Georgin
>
> YOU GET YOUR ASS BACK TO THE BAND RIGHT THIS INSTANT!!
> DO YOU HEAR ME, YOUNG MAN?
>
>
> (I hope i sounded enough like your mother or father to be influential.
Call it "tough love," buddy.)
>
> yours,
> jg
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:02:35 GMT
> From: cemery at iwaynet_net (Chris Emery)
> Subject: Re: Wade Jaynes
>
> Recalling the power of trains, Jason Andrew Newby
> <Jason.A.Newby at wheaton_edu> said:
>
> >This is GREAT news! Wade Jaynes is the most tastefully melodic bass
> >player ever.
>
> That's a pretty odd thing to say. Ever heard Tony Levin? Chris
> Squire? Mike Georgin? I bet I can name 10 better melodic bass
> players.
>
> >He is nothing short of incredible and Linford made a
> >wonderful call in bringing him in, if only for a few shows.
>
> Feh. I'm still *very* disappointed in Mike's departure.
>
> >Most people know him for his work with Chagall Guevara or his studio
work
> >for Steve Taylor and Phil Keaggy. The Chagall tracks were genius.
>
> Jason A. Newby, you're starting to worry me. If his playing with
> Steve Taylor and Chagall Guevara (another Steve Taylor project) are
> any indication, then he may prove adequate.
>
> >I liked Linford's playing back in the early days, but this is the most
> >exciting OTR news I've heard in quite some time.
>
> Did you ever see Mike play with the group?
>
> - --NP: Big Head Todd And The Monsters - _Beautiful World_
> ICQ #: 1388556 *** AIM: ChrisEmery
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:06:43 GMT
> From: cemery at iwaynet_net (Chris Emery)
> Subject: Re: Little Ian
>
> Recalling the power of trains, "jg900" <jg900 at bright_net> said:
> >hi.
>
> Hiya.
>
> > as he should, i suppose. i was thinking that anne e. plays a lot
louder than OtR and maybe I could bring little ian along to the OtR show,
and get him babysat for the anne gig instead, but dearly beloved wants to
look after his little ears and little lungs, so we'll be doing just one
show this weekend, and, much as i love anne, i love OtR lots more. I
did invite anne to the OtR show,
>
> Bet she'll stand you up again, what with her big FemmeFest or whatever
> the next day.
>
> >so if i'm really lucky, (and I haven't been so far,) maybe i'll see
her there. seems unlikely. i have invited another OtR "virgin" to this
show, too. really hoping she'll come. i 'm thinking those hideous
deformities that single me out from the crowd tend to dissuade potential
"dates" from being seen in public with me.
>
> So what is it that keeps away *my* potential dates? Women seem to be
> avoiding me like the plague lately. Go figure.
>
> >"I am not a monster! I am a man." - - -Elephant Man John Somebody i
think. Menke? Merke? i can't recall. Hundreds of you guys will know,
though.
>
> Merrick, HTH
>
> >Farewell, Mike, I love you, too.
>
> *sniff, sniff* jg, it just hit me. What am I going to shout at
> shows now? *sob*
>
> >Stop the presses! Gotta change my T-Shirt to: "I love you, Nikki!"
:-)
>
> Wait, I want one of those, too. I just remembered who Nikki is.
>
> Love ya, Nik.
>
> - --NP: Big Head Todd And The Monsters - _Beautiful World_
> ICQ #: 1388556 *** AIM: ChrisEmery
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:07:35 GMT
> From: cemery at iwaynet_net (Chris Emery)
> Subject: Re: attention Mike Georgin
>
> Recalling the power of trains, "jg900" <jg900 at bright_net> said:
>
> >YOU GET YOUR ASS BACK TO THE BAND RIGHT THIS INSTANT!!
> >DO YOU HEAR ME, YOUNG MAN?
>
> I LOVE YOU, MIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> - --NP: Big Head Todd And The Monsters - _Beautiful World_
> ICQ #: 1388556 *** AIM: ChrisEmery
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:26:35 GMT
> From: cemery at iwaynet_net (Chris Emery)
> Subject: Re: phooey!
>
> Recalling the power of trains, DustyVolume <marquis at icx_net> said:
>
> >Well, I guess I'm just going to have to move to Cincinnatti (maybe then
>
> Close. One fewer T and you've got it. (See? Watching those WKRP
> reruns *did* enhance my life)
>
> You should move to Columbus. This is a great city.
>
> >I missed the coveted songs of blood or whatever they were called
>
> Wot's all this, then?
>
> >I HAVE YET TO SEE WHAT STEPHANIE RHIELE LOOKS LIKE
>
> Poor, deprived boy. Maybe Jeff will get those pics up sometime
> today. (hint, hint)
>
> >Dug, man, wherever you are--I want you to know, you're my idol boyeee!
> >I mean y o u a r e t h e M A N!!
>
> Jesus, Mark, don't feed that boy's ego any more. It's big enough
> these days.
>
> >w/in w/out
>
> Synchronicity, anyone? This song is playing right now.
>
> >Oh and I think chris or someone said they had finally recorded goodbye?
> >where? when? how much?
>
> Linford mentioned (in NS #2) it was one of the demos they recorded
> during the latest studio venture in Indiana.
>
> - --NP: Over The Rhine - _Eve_
> ICQ #: 1388556 *** AIM: ChrisEmery
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:26:29 EDT
> From: JLuvzMusyk at aol_com
> Subject: Mike's Leaving, Paula Cole, and Other Stuff?
>
> *frown* But he was so *cute*! I loved watching him play......oh, yeah,
and
> listening to him, too. *wink*
>
> I don't know this Wade guy, but then, I'm *way* out of the loop. I'm
sure
> he'll be able to add something, but I'm still going to miss just looking
at
> Mike.
>
> And, btw, I have to agree with Jan that Paula Cole's first album is much
> better than the second. I've had it for years (my Dad bought the tape
and I
> stole it...), and my favorite song on it is *The Ladder* It's just a
> beautiful CD.....I recommend it highly!
>
> So, the listie t-shirts are going to be a definite? I don't think that
we
> should say that we'll just use them for Cornerstone.....I mean, there are
> other OtR shows, right? And no need to personalize them.....wear a name
tag
> if you're that desperate for someone to know who you are.
>
> *ack* That reminds me....I have to go get my Kennywood ID! Can't work
> without it, you know!
>
> NP: Letters To Cleo _Aurora Gory Alice_
> (although in the back of my mind the music from the merry-go-round plays
all
> the time)
> *hugz and kisses*
> Jessyka
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:06:10 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Jeffrey L. Klaum" <jeff at ohsosf_smlab.com>
> Subject: hint hint...
>
> Monday morn Mr. Emery dropped a note from the balcony and said:
>
> >Poor, deprived boy. Maybe Jeff will get those pics up sometime
> >today. (hint, hint)
>
> ok ok, by monday. i want to rescan them, and today i actually have to
> play work.
>
>
>
> BTW: overtherhine.com is coming very soon.
>
>
>
> enjoy,
>
> jeff k.
>
> jeff at smlab_com
> jeff at viewsnet_com http://www.viewsnet.com
> kwicherdambelyakin http://www.argos.org/~jeff
>
> np: cardigans: celia inside
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:59:44 -0500
> From: "Russ Stewart"<RSSTEWAR at hewitt_com>
> Subject: Schuba's
>
> >>When's your birthday? If you're in Chi-town, you should hook up with
> Toast and Ross for the Schuba's show. Eric, did you say you were
> going?
>
> That's Russ, and actually there will probably be two Russ' there, myself
> and another from off-list. I think Eric's going to the first show, I'm
not
> sure which I'm going to yet.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:21:01 -0400
> From: DustyVolume <marquis at icx_net>
> Subject: what?!
>
> so does this wade guy at least play the *stand up* bass?
>
> I mean come on we can't sacrifice all our standards
>
> oh and chris said:
>
> > Feh.
>
>
> What??!
>
> acronym or not, I have no idea what this means, but I do believe it sums
> up *my* feelings on the matter.
>
> Mike's leaving? Feh.
>
>
> oh well, I'm getting that needed sleep now.
>
>
>
> Peace and cough drops,
>
> Mark
>
> ps--thanks for the ns2 reverb, chris. I'll have no need to read the
> thing when it finally gets here--I will have heard everything second
> hand already (no mal intent).
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:23:49 GMT
> From: cemery at iwaynet_net (Chris Emery)
> Subject: Re: what?!
>
> Recalling the power of trains, DustyVolume <marquis at icx_net> said:
>
> >so does this wade guy at least play the *stand up* bass?
>
> Not to my knowledge. I'm sure he *can*. I don't this he *does*,
> though. No fretless, either, IIRC.
>
> >I mean come on we can't sacrifice all our standards
>
> *sigh*
>
> >oh and chris said:
> >
> >> Feh.
> >
> >What??!
>
> Feh.
>
> >acronym or not, I have no idea what this means, but I do believe it sums
> >up *my* feelings on the matter.
> >
> >Mike's leaving? Feh.
>
> Exactly. Now you get it. I made it a word, because it fit exactly
> how I feel about the whole thing.
>
> >ps--thanks for the ns2 reverb, chris. I'll have no need to read the
> >thing when it finally gets here--I will have heard everything second
> >hand already (no mal intent).
>
> Well...you asked. ;-)
>
> - --NP: Miles Davis - _The Complete Prestige Recordings, Volume 3_
> ICQ #: 1388556 *** AIM: ChrisEmery
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:25:15 GMT
> From: cemery at iwaynet_net (Chris Emery)
> Subject: Re: hint hint...
>
> Recalling the power of trains, "Jeffrey L. Klaum"
> <jeff at ohsosf_smlab.com> said:
> >>Poor, deprived boy. Maybe Jeff will get those pics up sometime
> >>today. (hint, hint)
> >
> >ok ok, by monday. i want to rescan them, and today i actually have to
> >play work.
>
> Sounds like a plan.
>
> >BTW: overtherhine.com is coming very soon.
>
> We're all waiting for the announcement. ;-)
>
>
> PS - did anyone else watch Jon Anderson on Politically Incorrect last
> night?
>
> - --NP: Miles Davis - _The Complete Prestige Recordings, Volume 3_
> ICQ #: 1388556 *** AIM: ChrisEmery
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:46:13 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Jason Andrew Newby <Jason.A.Newby at wheaton_edu>
> Subject: Re: Wade Jaynes
>
> On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Chris Emery wrote:
>
> > Recalling the power of trains, Jason Andrew Newby
> > <Jason.A.Newby at wheaton_edu> said:
> >
> > >This is GREAT news! Wade Jaynes is the most tastefully melodic bass
> > >player ever.
> >
> > That's a pretty odd thing to say. Ever heard Tony Levin? Chris
> > Squire? Mike Georgin? I bet I can name 10 better melodic bass
> > players.
>
> Sure I've heard of them. They're all capital-B Bassists. That's the
> charm of Wade Jaynes...he isn't so into his instrument that it would
stick
> out in the mix. He's one of a very few bass players who concentrate
> solely on how the song would best be served. His first few live shows
> will be rough, but in a few weeks he'll be a perfect fit, musically.
>
> >
> > >He is nothing short of incredible and Linford made a
> > >wonderful call in bringing him in, if only for a few shows.
> >
> > Feh. I'm still *very* disappointed in Mike's departure.
>
> > >Most people know him for his work with Chagall Guevara or his studio
work
> > >for Steve Taylor and Phil Keaggy. The Chagall tracks were genius.
> >
> > Jason A. Newby, you're starting to worry me. If his playing with
> > Steve Taylor and Chagall Guevara (another Steve Taylor project) are
> > any indication, then he may prove adequate.
>
> Adequate? He's far more than adequate. He's a listener, which is
exactly
> what Linford's songs need. Brian has always listened to the songs and
> been nothing short of perfect in giving the music what it needed. Ric
> never listened, he was always too concerned with getting his licks in. I
> don't mean to say Ric isn't a great guitarist, I think he is, but he was
> more concerned with how his parts sounded than how the song conveyed as a
> whole.
>
> Thanks for giving me the consideration to read and taking the time to
> respond. I'm a self-assured fascist when it comes to musical opinions so
> it's fun to have them challenged by someone else who knows some good
names
> to drop.
>
> Andy
>
> > --NP: Big Head Todd And The Monsters - _Beautiful World_
> > ICQ #: 1388556 *** AIM: ChrisEmery
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:56:12 -0600
> From: dawn.cozart at gx_novartis.com
> Subject: re: Lilith Baby
>
> Layner wrote
>
> >> Awww yeaaaah - just an FYI - they just added NATALIE MERCHANT
(!!!!!!!),
> as
> >> well as Paula Cole and Kristen Hersh to Denver's Lilith Fair line up.
> Can
> >> you say "all Lilith - all day" kids?
> >Awwwww yeah. I can live without Paula Cole, but Natalie AND Kristen
Hersh,
> >too? That's too cool. And you don't even have to do a road trip to get
> there,
> >Dawn...
>
> What a charmed life I lead! :-P
> 'Course since Cowboy Junkies will be here, I think OtR should tag along
> too! But I'm still going back to Cinci for the August 8th Lilith! If
> only there were an OtR show that weekend...
>
> >> With my lovely job and this lovely arctic weather (as well as my
> >> not-so-lovely-thinly-veiled-sarcasm!), This news is pretty much the
> >> highlight of my week! So I though Id share : - )
> >Yeah... what the heck is up with this weather? Is it snowing down there?
>
> Nope, but it's rainy and nasty and thirtysomething degrees outside. I
> heard it's snowing down in Littleton though! It's JUNE and the whole
> office is wearing turtlenecks, yikes! I have some friend going the the
Big
> Head Todd show tonight at Red Rocks, they're going to freeze!
>
> >> Tix go on sale Saturday (Heather, think I should get there early?!?)
> >Aw, crap. Don't The Verve and Massive Attack go on sale tomorrow? It
> figures
> >that two of the three shows I'd like to go to this summer go on sale on
> >successive days...
>
> When it rains it pours (both figuratively and literally)! I have a
feeling
> Lilith will sell out in a heartbeat.
>
> And to add some OtR content, I haven't gotten the Northern Spy either
FWIW.
>
> I like the idea of throwing a lyric on the shirt; Maybe -
>
> What a beautiful piece of heartache this has all turned out to be (after
> all these Latter Days conversations)
> or
> Just around the corner, I can hear you breathe
>
> Even though I won't be at Cornerstone, I'd take a shirt
>
> Dawn
>
> NP: 10,000 Maniacs _Blind Man's Zoo_
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:18:43 GMT
> From: cemery at iwaynet_net (Chris Emery)
> Subject: Re: Wade Jaynes
>
> Recalling the power of trains, Jason Andrew Newby
> <Jason.A.Newby at wheaton_edu> said:
> >> That's a pretty odd thing to say. Ever heard Tony Levin? Chris
> >> Squire? Mike Georgin? I bet I can name 10 better melodic bass
> >> players.
> >
> >Sure I've heard of them. They're all capital-B Bassists. That's the
> >charm of Wade Jaynes...he isn't so into his instrument that it would
stick
> >out in the mix.
>
> Who said anything about it sticking out in the mix? Required
> listening: King Crimson 'Discipline' (Tony Levin); Yes 'Tempus Fugit'
> (Chris Squire); King Crimson 'The Talking Drum' (John Wetton); Rush
> 'Open Secrets' (Geddy Lee). These are the types of examples I'm
> talking about when I say "melodic bass playing"
>
> I don't want a bassist who's going to do nothing more than play a
> tonic, one-note-per-beat-*on* the-beat bass part. If I want that,
> I'd be on a Foriegner mailing list. ;-)
>
> I'm not knocking Wade. I'm familiar with his work, and I like much of
> it, but nothing I've heard in his recorded output makes me think he'll
> be better than Mike in OTR.
>
> >He's one of a very few bass players who concentrate
> >solely on how the song would best be served.
>
> Care to elaborate on that?
>
> >His first few live shows
> >will be rough, but in a few weeks he'll be a perfect fit, musically.
>
> I always reserve final judgement. ;-) After all...Jack has improved,
> hasn't he?
>
> >> Feh. I'm still *very* disappointed in Mike's departure.
>
> Just for the record, I'd like to re-state this.
>
> Feh. I'm still *very* disappointed in Mike's departure.
>
> >> Jason A. Newby, you're starting to worry me. If his playing with
> >> Steve Taylor and Chagall Guevara (another Steve Taylor project) are
> >> any indication, then he may prove adequate.
>
> >Adequate? He's far more than adequate. He's a listener, which is
exactly
> >what Linford's songs need.
>
> Linford's songs now? Has it become Linford with special guests Over
> The Rhine?
>
> >Brian has always listened to the songs and
> >been nothing short of perfect in giving the music what it needed.
>
> Could be that OTR hasn't had any other drummers, and he is definitive
> in (at least) the percussive/rhythm side of OTR?
>
> </advocatus diaboli>
>
> >Ric never listened,
>
> I don't see how you can say that.
>
> >he was always too concerned with getting his licks in. I
> >don't mean to say Ric isn't a great guitarist, I think he is, but he was
> >more concerned with how his parts sounded than how the song conveyed as
a
> >whole.
>
> All right...I'm going to have to call you on this one. Where is he
> concerned with "getting his licks in"? Is it 'Paul And Virginia'?
> 'Bothered'? 'I've Been Slipping'? OTR up until 1995 (or so), was
> very much a team thing. Lots of shared songwriting credits, lots of
> collaboration. Watching them live, you could tell they enjoyed
> playing together, and feeding off each other's live vibe. Would 'If
> I'm Drowning' have become the amazing show closer it did if Linford
> disapproved? The one-by-one exit ending of IID made for a very
> exciting, and power change to the song. Ric's guitar improvising was
> a large part of that.
>
> >Thanks for giving me the consideration to read and taking the time to
> >respond. I'm a self-assured fascist when it comes to musical opinions
so
> >it's fun to have them challenged by someone else who knows some good
names
> >to drop.
>
> More than dropping names, son....gotta know what they mean. ;-)
> Besides...ask anyone on the list. There's nothing I like better than
> a good comparison debate.
>
> - --NP: Monk - _Quiver_
> ICQ #: 1388556 *** AIM: ChrisEmery
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:49:32 -0500 (CDT)
> From: jeff wisniewski <toast at Mcs_Net>
> Subject: Re: Wade Jaynes
>
> > Linford's songs now? Has it become Linford with special guests Over
> > The Rhine?
>
> Unfortunately, ever since '96 or so it seems....
>
> Jeff
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:55:37 GMT
> From: cemery at iwaynet_net (Chris Emery)
> Subject: Re: Wade Jaynes
>
> Recalling the power of trains, jeff wisniewski <toast at Mcs_Net> said:
> >> Linford's songs now? Has it become Linford with special guests Over
> >> The Rhine?
> >
> >Unfortunately, ever since '96 or so it seems....
>
> Ouch. Actually, you reminded me of a point I had meant to append to
> that post, but I think I'll let it go. Save it for the next round,
> you know. ;-)
>
> - --NP: Danny Gatton - _Cruisin' Deuces_
> ICQ #: 1388556 *** AIM: ChrisEmery
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:23:39 -0500
> From: "Brad Caviness" <bigwig at arkansas_net>
> Subject: Wade Janes History ( ...I dreamt you cut off all your hair.)
>
> I meant to send this to the list last night. Instead, I sent it only to
Mr.
> Lachey and got beat posting to the list about WJ's history. To add my
$.02
> to the debate of who is better (from the view point of having seen Mr.s
> Janes and Georgin live on more than one occassion) I have to say that
what I
> know of Wade, Mike is the more "OtR" bass player, and he was nearly a
> perfect fit for what I still consider the band's *new* direction (give me
a
> recording w/o Ric and maybe I'll stop). But if Mike has to leave, they
can't
> do much better for a replacement than Wade. He is a terrific,
understated,
> underrated, melodic player. And I wouldn't be surprised to see the
upright
> or fretless come out. The other bands he's played for didn't go for that
> kind of sound. But OtR should give him the opportunity to expand his
> performing range and show everyone what he can really do.
>
> BSC
> NP: Chagall Guevara, *Chagall Guevara*.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bruce Lachey
> > Headline: Mike's out, Wade's in.
> > Random notes:
> > It's official I guess. The big bad Mike man is out.
> > Wade Janes is from Nashville, knew the band for awhile, and was
> > called in on Sunday to play this show. He has hair. Seems nice.
> >
> More notably, Wade was the bass player and key element to the highly
> identifiable sound (if not name) of short-lived alt.rock legends Chagall
> Guevara. When the group broke up he followed lead singer and cartwheelist
> Steve Taylor around on tour for a while as his bass player. And then
showed
> up as the four-stringer behind Phil Keaggy for a while.
>
> Great to hear he's found another worthy band to play with.
>
> BSC
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 19:25:01 GMT
> From: cemery at iwaynet_net (Chris Emery)
> Subject: Re: Wade Janes History ( ...I dreamt you cut off all your hair.)
>
> Recalling the power of trains, "Brad Caviness" <bigwig at arkansas_net>
> said:
> >To add my $.02
> >to the debate of who is better (from the view point of having seen Mr.s
> >Janes and Georgin live on more than one occassion) I have to say that
what I
> >know of Wade, Mike is the more "OtR" bass player, and he was nearly a
> >perfect fit for what I still consider the band's *new* direction (give
me a
> >recording w/o Ric and maybe I'll stop).
>
> I agree wholeheartedly. I'm still puzzled why Mike left so abruptly.
> *sigh* Only 6 more different members, and they will catch up to Yes
> for personnel. Scary thing is that they're halfway there already.
>
> >But if Mike has to leave, they can't
> >do much better for a replacement than Wade. He is a terrific,
understated,
> >underrated, melodic player.
>
> I was never disputing this. He's quite good, but at this juncture, I
> can't see him being as good as Mike. Let's see what he does with it.
>
> >And I wouldn't be surprised to see the upright
> >or fretless come out. The other bands he's played for didn't go for that
> >kind of sound. But OtR should give him the opportunity to expand his
> >performing range and show everyone what he can really do.
>
> I'm hoping for the best. More than anything what the band needs right
> now is *stability*. Everything has been in flux pretty much since
> the demise of the IRS thing. And now, just when they are settled in
> the sextet, and recording demos to shop around to record companies,
> Mike leaves. Hopefully, it won't take too long for Wade to get up to
> speed.
>
> >NP: Chagall Guevara, *Chagall Guevara*.
>
> Someday, I'll have to locate a CD of this. I don't even think my
> ancient tape plays anymore.
>
> - --NP: Yes - _Tales From Topographic Oceans_
> ICQ #: 1388556 *** AIM: ChrisEmery
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:31:35 PDT
> From: "Snoop Duggy Dug" <snoop_duggy_dug at hotmail_com>
> Subject: "oh, you know, this and that."
>
> hey gang! what up in da hood? about all of this talk of listie
> t-shirts--that would be damn phat. IN FACT, i know a certain little
> homeboy that could run the whole operation because his own mammy runs
> one of those independent shirt businesses in her basement--that certain
> little homeboy being ME. so whenever this idea gets off the ground, we
> could definitely get a sweet ass discount from my mammy.
>
> personally, i like eric's t-shirt idea for "good dug bad dug." not sure
> why i like it so much ;> it just appeals to me for some reason. ha
> ha ha.
>
> jess said: "Oh, no! Wasn't me! I think that was Stef and JG.....I was
> too involved with flirting with Mr. Emery that I wasn't worried about
> meeting anyone else! LOL"
> insert nice big "yeah whatever" here. ;>
>
> chrissy wrote: "I think Duggy's still holding out for a shirt that says
> "I love you, Mallory!" "
> hale yeah, that's what i'm sayin.' even though that whole thing is
> supposed to be a secret, you nim. obsessing over band members is
> perfectly cliche in this world...obsessing over their newlywed spouses
> purely out of lust is not the norm--it's disturbing, and illegal in most
> states.
>
> re: 1-800-LISTIES you KNOW some poor jackass would call it--probably
> not the best idea in the world.
>
> somebody wrote: "So, Jeff, where are the pictures of all of us from the
> Kent show? How dare you tell us you had them developed and then keep
> them from us!"
>
> you mean there are PICTURES from that show?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I WANT
> THEM. BADLY. DESPARATELY! someone out there please feel my pain and
> share those wonderful pictures!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
>
> chrissy writes: "This reminds me. Is anyone else as pleased as I am
> that they recorded 'Goodbye' finally? I only hope the studio recording
> does justice to the power it has live."
> KICK ASS! how in the hell did anybody get their filthy paws on this?
> please fill my ass in on the details--i'm really begging for this one.
>
> tree huggin' hippy wrote: "that night at
> kent i didn't ... deliver the smoothest rendition of "jack's valentine"
> this side of the Old-n-grungy River..."
>
> it WAS pretty damn smooth, wasn't it? personally, i thought so as
> well.... ;>
>
> ha ha. anybody know if we're going to have another summer rhinelander
> gathering this year? last year's shindig was a might phat time, i must
> say. and we'll have to find out everybody's new favorite spice girl,
> now that geri is gone. ;>
>
> word, party people. --dug
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:38:45 -0400
> From: DustyVolume <marquis at icx_net>
> Subject: kiss my bass
>
> Tapping out the messages that signify communion Jeff and Chris wrote:
>
> > >> Linford's songs now? Has it become Linford with special guests
Over
> > >> The Rhine?
> > >
> > >Unfortunately, ever since '96 or so it seems....
> >
> > Ouch.
>
> Chris it's funny, I read *your* post, then I read Jeff's and immediately
> said aloud "ouch". When I got to this next post of yours I fell onto
> the floor laughing. It's not funny, but then there *is* the hyterical
> laughter of the delerious. "There's the brink of insanity, and then
> there is the abyss..."
>
>
> Okay now to tackle this Jason Andrew Newby situation. He writes:
>
> > Ric
> > never listened, he was always too concerned with getting his licks in.
I
> > don't mean to say Ric isn't a great guitarist, I think he is, but he
was
> > more concerned with how his parts sounded than how the song conveyed as
a
> > whole.
>
> Alright JAN did you just include this for the cut and re-paste effect or
> are you just playing the devil's advocate? With all due respect to your
> opinion (however feebly displayed it may have been) :o) this comment is
> ludicrous. To make such a unilateral statement shows that you either
> didn't think this through, or you are applying one set of circumstances
> that you think to be true to another set that you judge to have the same
> qualities--otherwise known as an unproven fallacy. Now granted, some of
> these types of conjecture do prove true, but I really doubt that you
> have taken the time to personally sit down with and interview at least a
> dozen professional guitarists... Back to my rebutal. To state that Ric
> never listened and that he was only concerned with how he sounded
> (appeared) is to also state that he was selfish and egotistical, because
> how could someone who was open to group input and submissivie to
> allowing their work to be tempered to the shape of the band "never
> listen"?
>
> I believe that anyone who has ever *even* met Ric will attest to his
> generous nature. The guy is so giving that it's almost abnormal. I had
> talked to him ONCE through an e-mail and he invited me to his studio and
> even gave me the phone number--he also lives there (or did at the
> time). So before you try to label Ric as self absorbed or whatever else
> comes to mind when you say he wasn't a listener think about what you're
> saying. Just because his parts were somewhat wild at times and just
> because he improvised and really trashed things up a bit doesn't mean he
> wasn't concerned with how the band needed to sound. People do have
> differing opinions of what sounds good (obviously) and I think that
> applies to what Ric added to OtR. It may not have been what you would
> have added (or had added) but I think it was probably what he thought
> was appropriate. Linford has been quoted several times saying that the
> band (then as a quartet) sounded totally different from what each member
> would sound like on their own. Now we can see what Ric sounds like on
> his own and I can see the difference. There are some similarites, but I
> believe there are more differences.
>
> And finally, I want to add my tastes on the bass matter. I will greatly
> miss Mike. I had become a big fan after only seeing him a handful of
> times. I'll cherish those boots even more now. I too liked Linford on
> the bass (early daze) and although I havent heard many of the examples
> that Chris named, I do know who I like: Mike Georgin, Chris Bland, Ben
> Isaacs, Steve Stevens--I know I'll get flamed for that one :P. I tend
> to like more of a prominent bass-one that I can hear above the music
> periodically. The bass is so dark and expressive it shouldn't be
> drowned out or trampled over with the drums or lead guitar. This is
> just my non-musical slant.
>
> Oh yeah and Melissa: Ubiquitious Hands.
>
> NP Vol _vol_
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:02:20 -0500
> From: rainscape at juno_com (Melissa M Konieczko)
> Subject: Re: kiss my bass
>
> maybe i missed it, but why exactly did Mike leave?
>
> about the Ric thing... well, just because someone will not sway to what
> Linford or whoever it may be wants, it doesn't mean that they are a
> selfish person... there are such things as goals, musical tastes,
> [surprise]... and Ric very well may have been rather concerned with his
> guitar parts... i don't think that there is anything wrong with that...
> whether anyone likes it or not, *for the most part*, a band is remembered
> by two main things, vocals and guitar. guitar is a very very intergral
> part to any band. and. that's how the whole problem arose, because OtR
> "avoids convention"... OtR has moved away from being guitar based, and
> moved into "mood". that's why i think it's so cool about Jack, because it
> is darn hard to find guitarists who are good but who are also willing to
> be a sort of "backdrop" piece in a band. don't take offense at that
> "backdrop" thing, i can't think of a better word.
>
> Melissa
>
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