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Re: Radio Satan
By the way, for those who pray: please pray for me.
>From: "ryan richards" <randomricky at hotmail_com>
>Reply-To: "ryan richards" <randomricky at hotmail_com>
>To: petert at interchange_ubc.ca
>CC: Over-the-Rhine at actwin_com
>Subject: Re: Radio Satan
>Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:29:24 +0000
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>>From: "Peter T. Chattaway" <petert at interchange_ubc.ca>
>>Reply-To: "Peter T. Chattaway" <petert at interchange_ubc.ca>
>>CC: Over the Rhine listserv <Over-the-Rhine at actwin_com>
>>Subject: Re: Radio Satan
>>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:02:50 -0700 (PDT)
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>>Ryan wrote:
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> Now, do we need the grace of God to do what's right? I've seen many a
>> > humanist do what's right with no benefit to themselves and they
>> > certainly didn't ask for the grace of God and then I assume did not
>> > receive the grace of God to do the deed.
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>Peter replied:
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>Why on Earth would you assume that God waits for people to ask him to do
>things before doing whatever it is that he wants to do?
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>Ryan replied to Peter's reply:
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>This is an extremely challenging question to say the least. I read a book
>a
>many years back (the name escapes me at the moment) whose thesis was that
>God sort of "disabled" him from acting in the world apart from a human
>request through prayer. I don't know if this is even possible, but it's
>interesting to think about. You have probably heard the sermon about
>people
>being God's hands and feet. Being pure Spirit God cannot act in the
>material world unless it's through a material vessle, whether it be the
>parting of the Red Sea through a windstorm for instance or through a
>designated human being such as David whipping Goliath's ass (with the
>confidence he received through prayer I might add). Let's just take for
>example the Red Sea story. Could God have blown the stubborn Israelites
>right on over the riverbed without the direction and encouragement of
>Moses,
>or did he need a free moral agent to tell them what to do? I suppose the
>former was possible but it's questionable as to how many of them would have
>survived such a pummeling let alone been appreciative of it. So, does need
>free moral agents in order to act in human affairs? My guess is probably
>yes. Now, do we have to ask God for the inspiration, courage, wind power
>or
>whatever we need in order to live to fight another day. I guess I could
>resort to some sort of scripture quoting to try and deal with this one, but
>will try not to take the easy way out (although Jesus words to do mean an
>awful lot to me). I guess then I'm forced to answer a question with a
>question. Why wouldn't we ask if we had faith, and why would God act if we
>didn't?
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