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truth in tension
hi guys,
kelvin, i'm really enjoying this too. thanks for
being so detailed about what you think. it really
helps as far as getting a better idea of where you're
coming from.
plain jane said:
>is nothing sacred?
we've been arguing over that for so many years :)
foods and places even. i think the love relationship
b/w a married couple will always have its private
level, its arena for the most tender and vulnerable
things. still, many couples are enriched through
reading another's take on things. plus, the poet
isn't naming names or stamping the word "experience"
on it.
and think of the christian bible...doesn't it take the
sacred and type set it for all the world to read?
even the sexually sacred :)
kelvin says:
> I got your point. I'm just not sure that vulgarity
> serves this purpose. Maybe that's a myth. Maybe
well, i'm going back to the whole idea of
vulgarity...the vulgar, the popular...the vulgate even
:) that snide jibe has its roots in criticizing the
most "basic" of society, the less educated, the
country folk, if you will. they are those people who
are less concerned with some streaming ramification of
a word and its baggage (or the opposite can be true,
mob rule, a mark twain nightmare scenario). many
endeavor to throw off their detailed chains and live a
more natural life...thoreau, sandburg, my dad ;-}
> > sometimes christians
> > think that sex is something shameful and dirty and
> > refuse to talk about to
> > their kids..
>
> I think this is a tired old, misconception. I've
> known millions of Christians but have known not one
> who thought that sex was shameful or dirty. I think
> it would be more accurate to say that they feel it
> has
> a time and a place. It's a matter of
> appropriateness.
i think you're fortunate to know christians like whom
you described, but i know many people that take more
the shape that rhys mentioned. the popular culture
reflects it too. we (the united states) are such a
sexualized culture b/c of these issues...to the point
that we're extra sensitive about something we won't
even touch. everything is supposedly (open) about
sex, but rooms full snicker as if they know nothing
about it.
> As far a talking to kids...that's not just
> Christian
> parents, that's parents in general. Society bears
> that out.
but society cannot be separated from its religious
beliefs...and superstitions.
> Actually (and really, I'm not trying to be
> contentious) I don't think it's a matter of trying
> to
> live up to a non-christian's image of us as much as
> it
> is trying to live up to the idea of Christ-likeness.
i liked this point a lot. it reminds me of lewis.
little christs. but what of this whole "trying"
business? if god lives in you, why do you have to try
so hard? the fruit of the spirit: what of that? if
his spirit has a stronger reign, if your spirit has
control of your flesh, what's the problem? ah,
there's the rub. there's the humanity.
there's also the issue of the cross. do you believe
he's trying to fix a little god (you) or do you
believe that you have to die for something else (new)
to live?
i'm with the latter. but in that death, i can't
imagine it being _all_ in one fowl swoop. it's like
an onion, layers peeling back. it's like after
jerico...when god told them to conquer certain groups
but one by one instead of at the same time.
someone once told me that truth really only exists in
tension :)
i'm not saying i think i'm trying to rise above the
vulgar words of my age, but i'm thinking more of the
true nature of responsibility as a disciple of
christ...and in that, i'm not focussed on a
performance but rather on a practice. the day to day
state of my heart in relationship to
his...sacred...set apart...one true love...reacting
when i'm convicted...being part of new life and
healing...exploring all of that. i have such a desire
to do that. i am woken in the middle of the night
wanting to know god and the world he created...to know
other people, to know life. it's about a relationship
always. art, for me, is expressing these experiences.
language, paint, cloth, chords...these are tools,
beautiful instruments and vessels for some remnant of
our experience and ponderings.
> You may be right, but I just don't think it
> necessarily has to be uncomfortable to be valid art,
> not that I'm hearing you say that it does. I just
> hear so many things - art, music, whatever - being
> cast aside because it's nice or positive. But
> that's
> a whole other discussion from a year ago.
yeah, i don't think _everything_ is about
confrontation :)
kelvin, i also wanted to apologize for the start of my
last post. my initial language was brash. i
appreciate you and look forward to what you would say.
happy posting,
j. marie
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