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Re: Over-The-Rhine Digest V3 #62
hi all,
just a quick note about the calvin college faith and writing conference.
it is possible to just get tickets to see anne lamott and the julie and
buddy and karen and linford shows. just call 616-957-6282. you can get a
ticket for anne lamott for $15 and the concert for $10. When i called last
week they still had tickets.
just thought everyone near grand rapids should know.
take care.
Andi Cumbo
Case Western Reserve University
axc83 at po_cwru.edu
OR
andilit at mindspring_com
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From: Over-The-Rhine Digest <Owner-Over-The-Rhine at actwin_com>
To: Over-The-Rhine-Digest at actwin_com <Over-The-Rhine-Digest at actwin_com>
Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 7:57 PM
Subject: Over-The-Rhine Digest V3 #62
>
>Over-The-Rhine Digest Monday, February 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 062
>
>
>
>In this issue:
>
> re: moth
> Re: Over-The-Rhine Digest V3 #61
> RE: moth
> Re: Moth
> moth
> Re: moth
> Re: Re: Moth
> Re: Moth
> Re: Moth
> Re: Moth
> moth
> Re: Moth
> Etcetera Whatever
> Re: moth
> Re: Moth
> pudding and padding (was moth)
> odering gdbd
> Re: [Re: Moth]
> Re: Moth
> Re: Moth
> Re: [Re: Moth]
>
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:46:36 -0500
>From: Alfred B Johnson <hoopyfrood at juno_com>
>Subject: re: moth
>
>isaac's knife can
>cut away
>all the poisoned
>yesterdays
>and the anger
>ease it down
>into the ocean
>let it drown
>as far as east is
>from the west
>
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>
>Now, in terms of religious interpretaion, what about:
>
>Isaac = the Jewish patriarch whose papa almost killed him with a
>sacrificial knife, only papa's hand is turned away by an angel at the
>last moment
>
>And then, Isaac's knife becomes not the knife in Isaac's hand but the
>knife that nearly killed him (i.e., the knife in Abraham's hand).
>
>And then, the knife represents obedience to God though the act doesn't
>make any sort of human, rational sense and, more than that, the hand of
>God gathering you up at the moment of obedience, closing you into a mercy
>and assurance and confirmation of love that did not seem possible before
>the moment of obedience.
>
>And get this: Genesis 22: "(6) Abraham took the wood for the burnt
>offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire
>and the knife. As the two of them went up together, (7) Isaac spoke up
>and said to his father Abraham, "Father?" "Yes, my son?" Abraham
>replied. "The fire and wood are here," Isaac said, "but where is the
>lamb for the burnt offering?" (8) Abraham answered, "God himself will
>provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And the two of them
>went on together."
>
>God will provide the martyr.
>
>And in that light, check this out:
>
>From Psalm 103: "(11) For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so
>great is his love for those who fear him; (12) as far as east is from
>west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us."
>
>And God will provide the mercy.
>
>Has anyone posted this stuff before?
>
>Fred
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:47:22 -0600
>From: Josh Jackson <josh at pastemusic_com>
>Subject: Re: Over-The-Rhine Digest V3 #61
>
>I might have missed the original post on this, but could someone fill me in
on
>the details of this conference. It sounds like something I might want to
try
>to get to.
>
>Much appreciated,
>Josh Jackson
>PasteMusic.com -- http://www.pastemusic.com
>
>>>>>You know, I am crying buckets over not being able to
>afford the Calvin college faith and writing
>conference. Not only could I see Linford, karin,
>buddy, julie, ashley and kenny (all artists I adore),
>but I could hear my hero of the moment, anne lamott,
>SPEAK. geez.
>
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:49:37 -0500
>From: "Queen, Chris" <Chris_Queen at bscc_bls.com>
>Subject: RE: moth
>
>Hi, Jeni, great thoughts on what that is fast becoming my favorite song; I
>seem to like it more and more with each listen. I enjoyed the Annie
Dillard
>quote, too; it really led me to think about "Moth" in a way I never had
>before. I'd like to toss my two cents into the discussion as well...
>
> > I'll admit that that "there's no saviour"
> > line was hard to
> > get past at times. I think if you take it in
> > context though, it's
> > easier to swallow.--- Which leads to the question,
> > "What context,
> > Mark?"
>
> perhaps I am being too simple...but the context seems to be the rest
>of that line. "there's not savior hanging on this cross." and there's
not,
>is there? I mean, Christians believe he rose again, right? :)
> If the cause is, as you put it "unjust, selfish, or otherwise
>needless," then Christ WOULDN'T be on the cross, right?
>
>My sentiments exactly! That's precisely how I've interpreted that line
from
>the first time I heard the song. The way I see it, the fact that Christ is
>no longer on the cross validates my faith. As a Christian, it's easy to
see
>where my perspective comes from, but that interpretation just makes sense
to
>me. One line I have a perspective on that I don't think anyone has
>commented on is:
> if you were to take my place tonight
> wouldn't Jesus be surprised
>My take on this line is that they are saying, in essence, "if I could, I'd
>give up my place in heaven for you." I know that's not too deep an
>analysis, but sometimes the simplest explanation is the best. Thanks to
all
>for stretching my mind a bit on a Monday morning. Seems like that's
>something that doesn't happen often enough...
>
>CHRIS QUEEN
>Chris_Queen at bscc_bls.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeni Newswanger [mailto:jeni_lyn at yahoo_com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 12:06 PM
> To: over-the-rhine at actwin_com
> Subject: Re: moth
>
>
> > I think I responded to your moth post once before,
> > but strangely enough,
> > I was just wishing a little while ago that I could
> > find that post with
> > this A.D. quote. Interesting, aye?
>
>
> Yes, you did respond...and one other person did. But
> that time I hadn't actually put the quote IN my
> email...so now you have it. :-)
>
> > I'll admit that that "there's no saviour"
> > line was hard to
> > get past at times. I think if you take it in
> > context though, it's
> > easier to swallow.--- Which leads to the question,
> > "What context,
> > Mark?"
>
> perhaps I am being too simple...but the context seems
> to be the rest of that line. "there's not savior
> hanging on this cross." and there's not, is there? I
> mean, Christians believe he rose again, right? :)
> Also, as far as you were saying with the metaphorical
> martyrdom, it fits that,as well. If the cause is, as
> you put it "unjust, selfish, or otherwise needless,"
> then Christ WOULDN'T be on the cross, right?
>
> You know, I think what's cools about interpretation is
> that a song could mean something totally different to
> many people (and I don't think our ideas are totally
> different, Mark), and still be valid and contextually
> based. Who knows what people mean EXACTLY when they
> write things. If Linford and Karin wrote so that we
> could understand without thinking much, we probably
> wouldn't like it much.
>
> And, when it comes down to it, this is a damn good
> song.
>
> You know, I am crying buckets over not being able to
> afford the Calvin college faith and writing
> conference. Not only could I see Linford, karin,
> buddy, julie, ashley and kenny (all artists I adore),
> but I could hear my hero of the moment, anne lamott,
> SPEAK. geez.
>
> sigh.
>
> Hope everyone's sunday is dandy. My fiance just
> brought me breakfast, isn't he sweet?
>
> love, jeni
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:27:18 GMT
>From: "Bruce Lachey" <b_lachey at hotmail_com>
>Subject: Re: Moth
>
>To me it's odd how some zealots get their panties all in a bunch over
>certain lines, without reading the whole message. I mean, you could take a
>lyric like "God is dead in the deep of the desert, where scorpions roam and
>life isn't pleasant" and they'd just extract "God is dead"... Some seem to
>blow it up in their mind and play it over and over until they whip
>themselves into this little frenzy that he/she barely can hold an
>intelligent conversation on it...
>
>I imagined "There's no saviour hanging on this cross" to mean the singer is
>no saint. She/he has a cross to bear, and she/he's not perfect.
>
>Peter Mulvey kicked such arse on Saturday night, there outta be a law.
>
>Bruce
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:23:38 -0500
>From: "Joe Berquist" <jaberqui at quakerchem_com>
>Subject: moth
>
> Moth has been my favorite OTR song since the very first time I heard it.
It is one of those songs that I have carefully spaced out listening to for
fear that it may lose some meaning and emotion through repeated playing.
Kind of like when you hear a song on the radio 100 times that you may have
liked at first, but it drives you batty now. Anyway, I guess I never quite
knew why this song had such an effect on me until I read some of your
comments about it's meaning. For me, the song is about letting go of pain,
and recognizing who you are, what you believe in, and seeing the the path of
destruction that you left behind, and/or that someone left on you. After a
long, intensely painful, and intensely wonderful relationship I had, I spent
about two years grieving over it, and abusing myself in all sorts of ways.
Then one day I let it all go. You eventually stop being addicted to your own
pain and self-pity. I think the realization that those things are for naught
explains the lin!
>e "There's no saviour hanging on this cross..". There are greater things to
carry a cross for than one's own self. I also think that the voice in the
song, having come to these revelations, recognizes the journey they have
taken to reach their epiphany, and are fiecely proud that they have survived
the journey with their beliefs intact.
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:56:47 EST
>From: "Rick Cassinelli II" <rickcassinelli at hotmail_com>
>Subject: Re: moth
>
>>From: Dusty Volume <marquis at icx_net>
>snip
>> > When the Cincinnati Enquirer book section asked
>> > Linford what book he would take into the new Millenium
>> > he said a book by Annie Dillard with 'Pilgrim' in the
>>
>>
>>That's Pilgrim at Tinker Creek. It's very short if you can actually
>>find it. Just because it's short though, doesn't mean it's an easy
>>read. As you can see (maybe) from the short quote Jeni posted, Annie's
>>writing is full of hidden meaning.
>>
>>Hey Rick, do you still have the copy of that Enquirer interview?
>>
> I am working on it. It was not an interview, just a book
>critic asking two or three people what book they would want to
>bring with them into the 2000's. I saved a section of the paper
>about the millenium change, but I am not sure if it contains the
>favorite book article.
>
> I am also looking for a recent Linford interview where he
>mentions what he said to the newspaper and what he might have
>said differently. I think the list had a link to the article
>with the interview.
>
> If I find either article I will post it to the list.
>
>>It's funny, being a non-cincian, everytime someone mentions the
>>Enquirer, I think of the "National" tabloid. heh heh.
>>
> Being here in Cincy makes me think the same association,
>especially when they write something that I do not agree with.
>
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:46:17 EST
>From: Ysobelle at aol_com
>Subject: Re: Re: Moth
>
>In a message dated 2/28/00 11:01:53 AM, b_lachey at hotmail_com wrote:
>
>>
>>Peter Mulvey kicked such arse on Saturday night, there outta be a law.
>
>
>Damn. And other things I won't repeat on this list.
>
>
>
>Oh, and Bruce? I love you, man. Context. It's all about context.
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:09:51 -0500
>From: Dusty Volume <marquis at icx_net>
>Subject: Re: Moth
>
>> To me it's odd how some zealots get their panties all in a bunch over
>> certain lines, without reading the whole message. I mean, you could take
a
>> lyric like "God is dead in the deep of the desert, where scorpions roam
and
>> life isn't pleasant" and they'd just extract "God is dead"...
>
>
>you calling me a zealot?? :)
>
>As far as "God is dead..." well, what is the lyric implying? Is God
>dead to humans, is he dead to scorpions. is he dead to the whole dead
>place? Some might say that anywhere there is life, God is there...
>
>So my question is, do scorpions rationalize and think to themselves
>"Man, it's so hot everyday, and I haven't had a decent tarantula in
>weeks. My feet have blisters on them, and yesterday, yesterday a
>vulture almost swooped down and carried me off as a meal--Man! God is
>dead in the deep of the desert!..."
>
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:20:47 -0500 (EST)
>From: Kelvin Bailey <kelvinbailey at juno_com>
>Subject: Re: Moth
>
>Where the heck did this come from?!? I don't believe I saw any "zealots"
>getting their "panties in a bunch" in any of these posts. Be careful, in
>making this unfounded accusation, that you don't become guilty of the same.
>
>Or did I just read your post totally wrong?
>
>Kelvin
>
>
>- ------Original Message------
>From: "Bruce Lachey" <b_lachey at hotmail_com>
>To: over-the-rhine at actwin_com
>Sent: February 28, 2000 3:27:18 PM GMT
>Subject: Re: Moth
>
>
>To me it's odd how some zealots get their panties all in a bunch over
>certain lines, without reading the whole message. I mean, you could take a
>lyric like "God is dead in the deep of the desert, where scorpions roam and
>life isn't pleasant" and they'd just extract "God is dead"... Some seem to
>blow it up in their mind and play it over and over until they whip
>themselves into this little frenzy that he/she barely can hold an
>intelligent conversation on it...
>
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:11:05 GMT
>From: "Bruce Lachey" <b_lachey at hotmail_com>
>Subject: Re: Moth
>
>You zealots.
>
>Just kidding. No, mine were too strong of words. And thinking back, I'm
on
>some weird tangent that doesn't relate at all to what I originally
intended.
> and I don't know how I got here. But I think I've been itching to use
the
>line "panties in a bunch" for awhile. It was incalculable urge.
>
>ever since I absorbed sting's "fragile" in my little brain, and to a lesser
>degree, "history will teach us nothing" I never could figure out the reason
>anyone would hurt someone else... That sounds simple and childlike maybe,
>but I really believe it.
>
>Arguing religion to me is like arguing abortion or pudding flavors. You
>can't sway people really, especially not through words. And I doubt anyone
>(be it God or the CEO of Jello's Pudding Division) wants people to fight.
>
>Golly, does it help if I say I'm running on little sleep this last few
>weeks??
>
>"Who shall I call tonight?,
>Which of my satellites?,
>You'll be Detector Ray,
>I'll be the King of May"
> -- John Taylor 99
>
>"This is not going to be a Bruce & Drew Night.
>It's going to be an Everybody Night"
> -- Amy Smiley 00
>
>Bruce
>
>
>
>>Where the heck did this come from?!? I don't believe I saw any "zealots"
>>getting their "panties in a bunch" in any of these posts. Be careful, in
>>making this unfounded accusation, that you don't become guilty of the
same.
>>
>>Or did I just read your post totally wrong?
>>
>>Kelvin
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:28:44 PST
>From: "J. Marie Hall" <j_marie_hall at hotmail_com>
>Subject: moth
>
>hi guys-
>
>moth. what a great song. jeni, i really appreciate the annie dillard
>citation b/c she's very new to me. mil gracias.
>
>mark said:
>
>>I don't think I stressed that I saw it too much as a religious song
>>either. I mean, I am a Christian, and everything I see, I see through
>>that standard, but I honestly don't see it as being integral to that
>>point in this song.
>
>>What I do see, however is a religious metaphor that reaches infinitely
>>to a secular world. I mean, we all know someone, or have been that
>>someone, who delves deep into something for all the wrong reasons. We
>>can all relate to the grip of unhealthy habits (personal sin) or the
>>failing of personal relationships. I'm tingeing on glittering
>>generalities here, I know, but I'm trying to broadly address the issues
>>I see in the song--some of which, I've only seen thanks to others'
>>points of view.
>
>i would think that the non-religious would see it more abruptly than we do,
>at least at our initial approach. i still think the christianity is
>integral though b/c christians have two frames of reference-- we have the
>opportunity to see both sides of the coin. we know what it's like to hear
>all the crap and to depreciate/criticize (and i remember what it's like to
>"be" :) ) the same thing i think karin criticizes, but we also give our
>lives to what we believe the real stuff is. i think most people,
christians
>or not, would say they want reality and they want love. we're in search of
>the very same things and like one beggar leading another beggar to bread,
we
>share our experiences. the stuff we endeavor to live and share is utter
>freedom, truth and peace. all that, in my humble opinion, assures a
careful
>eye towards bull and a willingness/desire to expose it. here's my
>disclaimer: anyone can be deceived :) i mean, like i said, i remember what
>it's like to be full of crap. and hopefully i'm not now--i'm sure you'll
>let me know what you think :)
>
>what i got from the song was a mixture of what mark and jeni said. part of
>the criticism to the self-imposed martydom is the "moth's" concept of
>christ, i would think. have you ever listened to ginni owens? she has a
>great song, "without condition" that echos some of the ideas tossed here.
>she's good stuff.
>
>well, have a good day :)-
>marie
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:12:21 -0600
>From: "Chris Emery" <chris.emery at ecoutlook_com>
>Subject: Re: Moth
>
>> Where the heck did this come from?!? I don't believe I saw any
>> "zealots"
>> getting their "panties in a bunch" in any of these posts. Be careful,
>> in
>> making this unfounded accusation, that you don't become guilty of the
>> same.
>
>You say "panties in a bunch" like it's a BAD thing.
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:55:43 -0500
>From: Dusty Volume <marquis at icx_net>
>Subject: Re: moth
>
>> i still think the christianity is
>> integral though b/c christians have two frames of reference-- we have the
>> opportunity to see both sides of the coin.
>> but we also give our
>> lives to what we believe the real stuff is.
>
>Indeed!
>
>I think this is where a lot of people get the desire to start calling
>people zealots [Hi Brucie! :)]. I mean, it's very easy to come off
>sounding pretentious as a Christian. But when it all comes down to it,
>we've decided that we've seen what the world has to offer, and we
>ultimately choose something we perceive as better.
>
>I can see too how Bruce's statement of favourite flavors, and whether to
>abort, or not to abort can come into play here as well, but I don't
>share his cynicism that people's minds can't be changed. It's true that
>*people* can't change other people's minds on things that seem to be so
>integral to the personal make-up of the individual in question, so the
>change has to come from within. Some (Christians) would say that that
>change really comes from God--but! the person changing has to be
>receptive to it. And that's where people come into play. We, as people,
>have the power to influence others. Anybody wanna say advertising?? If
>nothing else, the blatant and fierce beast, consumerism, is testament to
>that. So, no we can't change people, but we can be IYW, the catalyst.
>
>anybody follow that?
>
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:57:26 -0500 (EST)
>From: Kelvin Bailey <kelvinbailey at juno_com>
>Subject: Re: Moth
>
>Sounds like a fun game. How about:
>
>As soon as she realized the unforgivable thing she had done, she turned
away
>from the sleeping hulk next to her and made her long, arduous descent from
>the bed. After searching tearfully in the dark for a few laborious
minutes,
>she finally located her panties in a bunch of unorganized papers which had
>somehow been dislocated from the large, antique desk which now stood
>accusing her.
>
>Kelvin
>
>- ------Original Message------
>From: "Bruce Lachey" <b_lachey at hotmail_com>
>
>But I think I've been itching to use the
>line "panties in a bunch" for awhile. It was incalculable urge.
>
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:50:54 PST
>From: "J. Marie Hall" <j_marie_hall at hotmail_com>
>Subject: pudding and padding (was moth)
>
>'ello-
>
>i'm enjoing this thread a lot... different perspectives etc.
>
>bruce offers:
>
>>Arguing religion to me is like arguing abortion or pudding flavors. >You
>>can't sway people really, especially not through words. And I >doubt
>>anyone (be it God or the CEO of Jello's Pudding Division) >wants people to
>>fight.
>
>i would agree, but i see a large difference b/w fighting and discussing.
>there's a difference (for me) b/w badgering and challenging. the former is
>fruitless and the latter truly wonderful! where would any of us be without
>a little iron sharpening iron? and i would never seek to argue religion.
>religion is an institution. i was hoping to come out of the box a label
can
>put me in (without denying its overshadowing implications) and just talk
>about stuff, life, reality.
>
>going back to the notion of context, i think we're on the same page with
the
>intertextuality of a song like moth. there is good reason to believe that
a
>thread of christianity is woven into the tapestry of this song, this "text"
>(which derives originally from the Latin word for weaving and for
interwoven
>material). i think it's safe to say that one facet of many of otr's lyrics
>could have some base in Christianity. that's about all i think it's safe
to
>say :)
>
>and mark mentions:
>
>>But when it all comes down to it,
>>we've decided that we've seen what the world has to offer, and we
>>ultimately choose something we perceive as better.
>
>duuuude, the matrix is real!
>
>on my way f'r now-
>marie
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>Date: 28 Feb 00 14:28:25 PST
>From: dana brewer <daturawest at netscape_net>
>Subject: odering gdbd
>
>Kudos to virgin/back porch for a completely expedious and polite group of
>employees in their ordering department.
>
>I just received my post card for the new gdbg and I called and ordered. I
was
>worried that I would not get the same quick and pleasant attention that I
used
>to receive when calling to order OTR from the little OTR office. However,
the
>big label ordering process went smashingly.
>
>Side note: Whoever took my order was also a fan --
>
>
>just thought I'd share
>
>
>- --dana--
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>Date: 28 Feb 00 14:40:00 PST
>From: dana brewer <daturawest at netscape_net>
>Subject: Re: [Re: Moth]
>
>Kelvin:
>>> Where the heck did this come from?!? I don't believe I saw any
>>>"zealots"
>>> getting their "panties in a bunch" in any of these posts. Be careful,
>>> in
>>> making this unfounded accusation, that you don't become guilty of the
>>> same.
>
>"Chris Emery" <chris.emery at ecoutlook_com> wrote:
>
>>You say "panties in a bunch" like it's a BAD thing.
>
>
>Think about it, it COULD be a bad thing -- just depends. If there are
panties
>in a bunch of seaweed, that couldn't possibly be good.
>
>bye bye
>
>- --dana-- who is feeling like absolute cruddy crud today
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:27:58 GMT
>From: "Bruce Lachey" <b_lachey at hotmail_com>
>Subject: Re: Moth
>
>Nice, nice! Do you write, K?
>
>I also am fond of this one:
>
>One by one, the soon-to-be-sorority girls tried to act cavalier as they
>nervously but dutifully tossed their panties in a bunch on the cold stone
>floor and waited for the sting of the initiatory paddle on the rear.
>
>I definitely need more sleep. That paragraph will keep me from getting
>elected to Cincinnati public office...
>
>BRL
>
>
>>From: Kelvin Bailey <kelvinbailey at juno_com>
>>
>>Sounds like a fun game. How about:
>>
>>As soon as she realized the unforgivable thing she had done, she turned
>>away
>>from the sleeping hulk next to her and made her long, arduous descent from
>>the bed. After searching tearfully in the dark for a few laborious
>>minutes,
>>she finally located her panties in a bunch of unorganized papers which had
>>somehow been dislocated from the large, antique desk which now stood
>>accusing her.
>>
>>Kelvin
>>
>>------Original Message------
>>From: "Bruce Lachey" <b_lachey at hotmail_com>
>>
>>But I think I've been itching to use the
>>line "panties in a bunch" for awhile. It was incalculable urge.
>>
>>
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:34:56 PST
>From: "Amy Joy Eversole" <amy_smiley at hotmail_com>
>Subject: Re: Moth
>
>bruce said:
>>ever since I absorbed sting's "fragile" in my little brain, and to a
lesser
>>degree, "history will teach us nothing" I never could figure out the
reason
>>anyone would hurt someone else... That sounds simple and childlike maybe,
>>but I really believe it.
>
>hmm...what's wrong with simplicity and childlikeness? those are
>increasingly becoming two values that i'm striving to base my actions on
>(note that there is a tremendous difference b/t being childlike and
>childish!)... although, quite simply and childlike, i believe the reason
>anyone would hurt someone else is that we're all ultimately selfish people.
>of course, i believe that because of fact that i view the world through the
>lens of my faith, which happens to embrace the idea that humanity is sinful
>and in need of redemption. my interpretation of otr lyrics from a
christian
>standpoint has nothing to do with a desire to "argue religion," but is
>simply a natural response because of my faith, just as every single person
>on this list can't help but view the world through their own lens... but
>i'm just a bit confused, dear bruce--were you implying that the weaving of
>christianity into the moth discussion has been hurting people? never mind
>my disjointed thoughts--i just got back from a very long day of sitting in
a
>training room, absorbing far too much information for one day...
>
>
>>"This is not going to be a Bruce & Drew Night.
>>It's going to be an Everybody Night"
>> -- Amy Smiley 00
>YES!!--my words have finally been immortalized on the list!
>
>i need to get something to eat before i drift into a coma...
>
>fwiw,
>amyjoy
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:45:36 -0500
>From: Dusty Volume <marquis at icx_net>
>Subject: Re: [Re: Moth]
>
>> Think about it, it COULD be a bad thing -- just depends. If there are
panties
>> in a bunch of seaweed, that couldn't possibly be good.
>
>
>What if they were in a bunch of seaweed on the plate of the mad, mad
>panty eater of east Brunswick (who also likes kelp) and they're sitting
>there right when the police barge in and discover all the stolen panties
>from all those panty raids he's (or she's) been involved in. This would
>be good. This would be very good.
>
>Mark,
>
>who also will never be elected to public office now. Oh wait, no one
>knows my last name! Nevermind...
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